army1987 comments on Rationality Quotes December 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 16 December 2012 11:47:29PM *  5 points [-]

The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.

Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.

Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.

Homer: Thank you, dear.

Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.

Homer: Oh, how does it work?

Lisa: It doesn't work.

Homer: Uh-huh.

Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.

Homer: Uh-huh.

Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?

Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.

Comment author: nshepperd 17 December 2012 01:20:49AM 3 points [-]

Perhaps he should have said "conspicuous absence". An absence of tigers is only conspicuous if you would otherwise expect tigers everywhere.

Comment author: [deleted] 19 December 2012 11:27:12AM 2 points [-]

In principle, yes. In practice, it would be very hard to tell how many more crimes per year, divided per X, there would be if counterfactually the police's budget was reduced by $X/year all other things being equal (looking at how other countries are doing will have huuuge confounding effects), and I suspect most people would overestimate that.

Comment author: pedanterrific 19 December 2012 05:47:26AM 0 points [-]

spacious reasoning

Specious, not spacious.

Comment author: [deleted] 19 December 2012 11:22:56AM 0 points [-]

Fixed.

Comment author: wedrifid 18 December 2012 01:58:42AM *  0 points [-]

Ok, now, which character from the Simpsons would be capable of reading the causality sequence, understand the math and reliably evaluate the evidence actually given about police efficiency by absence of crime and disorder? Because if Lisa said directly or herself intended the above story to be analogous then I'd call her naive and confused. Given what is known about the relevance of law enforcement, not considering low crime to be---all else even remotely approximating equal---strong evidence about the effectiveness of the police would be utterly absurd.

Comment author: Alejandro1 18 December 2012 02:54:20AM 1 point [-]

Ok, now, which character from the Simpsons would be capable of reading the causality sequence, understand the math and reliably evaluate the evidence actually given about police efficiency by absence of crime and disorder?

By my count, three: Lisa, Professor Frink, and "Stephen Hawking" (the caricatured version of himself that Hawking played on the several occasions he guest-starred on the show).

Because if Lisa said directly or herself intended the above story to be analogous then I'd call her naive and confused.

Jumping to Lisa's defense here, as the quoted dialogue was about the Bear Patrol, a costly government initiative to keep the town safe from bears, launched in response to the only bear sighting in decades. It was army1987 who applied it to regular (human) crime.