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Comment author: aelephant 03 December 2012 01:21:14AM 0 points [-]

You seem to be contradicting yourself. If learning about rationality probably helps you win at life, that means it makes you a better rationalist.

Comment author: Athrelon 03 December 2012 02:49:20AM -1 points [-]

Anyone doing well in life is a rationalist in the sense we use it on LW?

Comment author: aelephant 03 December 2012 03:39:35AM 0 points [-]

No, but that wasn't what we were talking about. They could have been lucky, but then their success didn't come about because rationality helped them win at life. You're saying a better rationalist will lose more often than a worse rationalist, which is wrong by definition since rationality is the art of accomplishing one's goals effectively.

Comment author: David_Gerard 03 December 2012 08:35:40AM *  0 points [-]

Your claim appears to be "Rationality is winning." Therefore, if you're not winning you're not rational. Are you winning? [*] If not, are you not a rationalist?

The logic seems circular. You can say "I aspire to win and rationality is whatever gets me there", but that doesn't seem to define the pursuit in question at all.

[*] (This question is not "Can you quickly retcon your current state as 'winning'?")

Comment author: aelephant 03 December 2012 10:49:21AM 0 points [-]

You could be a really bad rationalist, or you could be not winning for other reasons.

Comment author: aelephant 03 December 2012 11:39:10PM 1 point [-]

Could one of the people who voted me down please explain why? I don't understand why this is even contentious. Have you read the Wiki? http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Rationality_is_systematized_winning

The comment I replied to reads like, "Learning to paint might make you make better paintings, but it won't make you a better painter." I replied, "Making better paintings is the definition of a better painter, so you're contradicting yourself." Then I got downvoted. What am I missing?