vallinder comments on Train Philosophers with Pearl and Kahneman, not Plato and Kant - Less Wrong

65 Post author: lukeprog 06 December 2012 12:42AM

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Comment author: vallinder 04 December 2012 12:08:44PM 6 points [-]

I am curious about the qualifier "pre-1980." Do you think later work in these disciplines is noticeably better?

Comment author: selylindi 04 December 2012 03:14:48PM 15 points [-]

"pre-1980" = "pre-lukeprog", and thus, the ancient days

(kidding)

Comment author: [deleted] 04 December 2012 04:32:50PM 3 points [-]

If I correctly identified him from his karma score in the survey results (and everything else I saw was consistent with what I already knew about him), he's younger than that.

Comment author: Strange7 07 December 2012 01:36:11AM 1 point [-]

How much of the difference is rounding?

Comment author: [deleted] 07 December 2012 09:06:52AM *  0 points [-]

He appears to have been born in 1985, so if I was him I would have been torn between rounding down to 1980 and rounding up to 1990 and ended up not rounding at all. (1985 does sound Schelling-y enough to me.) But round-to-even is a thing.

Comment author: magfrump 06 December 2012 06:46:08PM *  1 point [-]

Plenty of fields (like cognitive science, linguistics, mathematical causality) don't seem to have had many or most of their seminal works published until after the 1980's; also the 1980's marked a huge increase in the availability of computers and networking, which is a huge boon to scientific research.

These are just guesses from the top of my head and glances at wikipedia, but also having born in the 80s I'm probably biased.

Comment author: Peterdjones 06 December 2012 07:12:51PM 0 points [-]

Plenty of fields [..] , linguistics [..] don't seem to have had seminal works published until after the 1980's;

So much for Grimm, Saussure and Chomsky.

Comment author: magfrump 07 December 2012 12:23:58AM 1 point [-]

I guess that should be "...had many seminal..."

"The 1980s" is a somewhat arbitrary line, but looking at the history of linguistics on wikipedia, lots of big changes happened in the 1960s and 1970s, and many important subfields of linguistics have steadily gained ground "From roughly 1980 onwards."

If someone had interests relevant to mathematics, and they only studied math from before 1900, they would be missing a great number of seminal works, and have very little knowledge of modern mathematics, even if there were tons of amazing and influential mathematicians before that point.

Comment author: Peterdjones 07 December 2012 11:15:44AM -1 points [-]

If someone had interests relevant to mathematics, and they only studied math from before 1900, they would be missing a great number of seminal works, and have very little knowledge of modern mathematics, even if there were tons of amazing and influential mathematicians before that point.

But your original claim was not "study the new stuff, it's better", you claim was that there were no advances before the new stuff.

Comment author: magfrump 07 December 2012 09:43:59PM 1 point [-]

That was not what I intended my original claim to be, and I think the spirit of lukeprog's post was centered on the claim that one should "study the new stuff, it's better."

If I didn't communicate that that was my intention clearly, I'm sorry, I hope we're on the same page now.