Viliam_Bur comments on Train Philosophers with Pearl and Kahneman, not Plato and Kant - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Viliam_Bur 04 December 2012 01:55:29PM *  18 points [-]

Beauty is about the world. More precisely, about humans. What makes humans perceive X as beautiful?

Required knowledge about the world: What happens in our brains? (Neuroscience, psychology, biology.) Do our beauty judgements change across cultures or centuries? (Sociology, anthropology, art history.) Do monkeys feel something similar? (Biology, ethology.)

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 04 December 2012 02:12:17PM *  3 points [-]

It might prove helpful to look at humans etc. to understand the things that trigger the topic of beauty, in the sense that you might learn interesting related ideas in greater detail by studying these things. But the detailed conditions of triggering the topic are not necessarily among them, so "What makes humans perceive X as beautiful?" may be a less useful question than "What are some representative examples of things that are perceived by humans as beautiful?". The world gives you detailed data for investigation, but you don't necessarily care about the data, the ideas it suggests might make the original data irrelevant at some point.

Comment author: Peterdjones 04 December 2012 02:58:11PM 1 point [-]

Likewise, knowing how people make moral decisions is not at all the same as knowing what the moral thing to do would be. I

Not in any sense that leadds to straightforward empiricism.

Required knowledge about the world:

That knowledge about the world is necessary is not in doubt. The issue is whether it is sufficient.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 04 December 2012 04:14:05PM *  0 points [-]

That knowledge about the world is necessary is not in doubt. The issue is whether it is sufficient.

We agree about the first sentence. And the knowledge about the world also helps to form a qualified opinion about the second one.

I have no problem with students of philosophy learning Plato's opinions and the related science, if they want to write a book about Beauty. (I just imagine them more likely to do the former part and ignore the latter.)

Comment author: Peterdjones 04 December 2012 04:18:17PM 0 points [-]

A lot of this seems to be imagination-driven.

Comment author: Strange7 07 December 2012 02:05:18AM -1 points [-]

We imagine that our imagination has all the answers. In theory, theory and practice are the same; in practice they are not.