This isn't a defense of philosophy as far as I can tell.
It was intended as an explanation. If you are contrasting it with science. which you think does positively confrm theories, you need to disprove Popper.
Why is this at all relevant aside from at a historical level?
Becuase philosphy is about what philosphers have thought. Why would you think it is irrelevant? Because you think phil. is or should be some sort of technical discipline.?
Who said an idea isn't connected to whether the idea is true or not.
Huh?
If there are two different interpretations of what someone said, just label them differently and discuss accordingly.
That has happened several times. Phils. really aren't hoplessly dumb.
If that's the case, that raises the question of why we bother doing things that way in intro classes.
I've answered that elsewhere. You need them to set subsequent thinking in context. But that can become undiscussed background information. I notice you have no objection to the way physics is taught, which invariably starts with a lot of classical physics, even though it is "wrong".
Philosophy isn'y broken science, it's philosophy.This seems more like rhetoric than a coherent claim.
I'm serious. All the criticism of phil. is coming from people who expect it to be like science and work like science, and there is no reason it should.
It was intended as an explanation. If you are contrasting it with science. which you think does positively confrm theories, you need to disprove Popper.
I never said science positively confirms theories. But there are so many issues with Popper that that's almost not worth discussing. We've had seventy from Popper at this point, and philosophy of science is one area where unambiguious progress has been made. I don't need to point to something that modern like Bayesianism, but just the pretty effective criticisms of Popper by Quine, Lakatos and Kuhn. Fa...
Part of the sequence: Rationality and Philosophy
Bertrand Russell
I've complained before that philosophy is a diseased discipline which spends far too much of its time debating definitions, ignoring relevant scientific results, and endlessly re-interpreting old dead guys who didn't know the slightest bit of 20th century science. Is that still the case?
You bet. There's some good philosophy out there, but much of it is bad enough to make CMU philosopher Clark Glymour suggest that on tight university budgets, philosophy departments could be defunded unless their work is useful to (cited by) scientists and engineers — just as his own work on causal Bayes nets is now widely used in artificial intelligence and other fields.
How did philosophy get this way? Russell's hypothesis is not too shabby. Check the syllabi of the undergraduate "intro to philosophy" classes at the world's top 5 U.S. philosophy departments — NYU, Rutgers, Princeton, Michigan Ann Arbor, and Harvard — and you'll find that they spend a lot of time with (1) old dead guys who were wrong about almost everything because they knew nothing of modern logic, probability theory, or science, and with (2) 20th century philosophers who were way too enamored with cogsci-ignorant armchair philosophy. (I say more about the reasons for philosophy's degenerate state here.)
As the CEO of a philosophy/math/compsci research institute, I think many philosophical problems are important. But the field of philosophy doesn't seem to be very good at answering them. What can we do?
Why, come up with better philosophical methods, of course!
Scientific methods have improved over time, and so can philosophical methods. Here is the first of my recommendations...
More Pearl and Kahneman, less Plato and Kant
Philosophical training should begin with the latest and greatest formal methods ("Pearl" for the probabilistic graphical models made famous in Pearl 1988), and the latest and greatest science ("Kahneman" for the science of human reasoning reviewed in Kahneman 2011). Beginning with Plato and Kant (and company), as most universities do today, both (1) filters for inexact thinkers, as Russell suggested, and (2) teaches people to have too much respect for failed philosophical methods that are out of touch with 20th century breakthroughs in math and science.
So, I recommend we teach young philosophy students:
(In other words: train philosophy students like they do at CMU, but even "more so.")
So, my own "intro to philosophy" mega-course might be guided by the following core readings:
(There are many prerequisites to these, of course. I think philosophy should be a Highly Advanced subject of study that requires lots of prior training in maths and the sciences, like string theory but hopefully more productive.)
Once students are equipped with some of the latest math and science, then let them tackle The Big Questions. I bet they'd get farther than those raised on Plato and Kant instead.
You might also let them read 20th century analytic philosophy at that point — hopefully their training will have inoculated them from picking up bad thinking habits.
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