bryjnar comments on Mixed Reference: The Great Reductionist Project - Less Wrong

29 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 05 December 2012 12:26AM

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Comment author: bryjnar 05 December 2012 11:06:05PM *  7 points [-]

This.

EY's made a kind of argument that you should have two kinds of stuff (although I still think the logical pinpointing stuff is a bit weak), but he seems to be proceeding as if he'd shown that that was exhaustive. For all the arguments he's given so far, this third post could have been entitled "Experiences: the Third Kind of Stuff", and it would be consistent with what he's already said.

So yeah, we need an argument for; "You're only supposed to have two kinds of stuff."

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 06 December 2012 06:00:10AM 3 points [-]

He may be overreacting against a strain in philosophy that seeks to reduce everything to experience. Similar to the way behaviorism was an overreaction against Freud.

Comment author: MrMind 07 December 2012 05:18:42PM *  1 point [-]

So yeah, we need an argument for; "You're only supposed to have two kinds of stuff."

I think the whole point of "the great reductionist project" is that we don't really have a sufficiency theorem, so we should treat "no more than two" as an empirical hypothesis and proceed to discover its truth by the methods of science.

Comment author: shminux 05 December 2012 11:25:00PM -2 points [-]

this third post could have been entitled "Experiences: the Third Kind of Stuff"

Not third, first. There are only two kinds of stuff, experiences and models. Separating physical models from logical is rather artificial, both are used to explain experiences.

Comment author: RobbBB 06 December 2012 05:17:54AM 0 points [-]

We only access models via experiences. If you aren't willing to reduce models to experiences, why are you willing to reduce the physical world of apples and automobiles to experiences? You're already asserting a kind of positivistic dualism; I see no reason not to posit a third domain, the physical, to correspond to our concrete experiences, just as you've posited a 'model domain' (cf. Frege's third realm) to correspond to our abstract experiences.