Esar comments on Mixed Reference: The Great Reductionist Project - Less Wrong

29 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 05 December 2012 12:26AM

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Comment author: shminux 06 December 2012 06:30:45AM *  1 point [-]

Cucumbers are both experiences and models, actually. You experience its sight, texture and taste, you model this as a green vegetable with certain properties which predict and constrain your similar future experiences.

Numbers, by comparison, are pure models. That's why people are often confused about whether they "exist" or not.

Comment author: [deleted] 06 December 2012 08:21:33PM 0 points [-]

You experience its sight, texture and taste, you model this as a green vegetable with certain properties which predict and constrain your similar future experiences.

Are experiences themselves models? If not, are you endorsing the view that qualia are fundamental?

Comment author: shminux 06 December 2012 09:19:12PM 1 point [-]

Are experiences themselves models? If not, are you endorsing the view that qualia are fundamental?

Experiences are, of course, themselves a multi-layer combination of models and inputs, and at some point you have to stop, but qualia seem to be at too high a level, given that they appear to be reducible to physiology in most brain models.