Eugine_Nier comments on By Which It May Be Judged - Less Wrong

35 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 10 December 2012 04:26AM

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Comment author: Decius 20 December 2012 12:38:32AM 0 points [-]

I don't see your criticism about the cop and the soldier; is it in a fork that I'm not following, or did I overlook it?

Assuming that the social contract requires criminals to subject themselves to law enforcement:

A member of society consents to be judged according to the laws of that society and treated appropriately. The criminal who violates their contract has already consented to the consequences of default, and that consent cannot be withdrawn. Secret police and soldiers act outside the law enforcement portion of the social contract.

Does that cover your criticism?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 20 December 2012 03:54:48AM 2 points [-]

Secret police and soldiers act outside the law enforcement portion of the social contract.

Why?

Comment author: Decius 20 December 2012 05:28:54AM 0 points [-]

There's a little bit of 'because secret police don't officially exist' and a little bit of 'because soldiers aren't police'. Also, common language definitions fail pretty hard when strictly interpreting an implied social contract.

There are cases where someone who is a soldier in one context is police in another, and probably some cases where a member of the unofficial police is also a member of the police.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 21 December 2012 03:39:46AM 1 point [-]

There's a little bit of 'because secret police don't officially exist'

Well, they generally do actually. They're called 'secret' because people don't know precisely what they're up to, or who is a member.

You can replace them with regular police in my hypothetical if that helps.