Eugine_Nier comments on By Which It May Be Judged - Less Wrong

35 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 10 December 2012 04:26AM

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 21 December 2012 03:35:08AM 2 points [-]

Did all of the participants in the violent conflict voluntarily enter it?

Generally not, actually.

Comment author: Decius 21 December 2012 05:59:28AM 0 points [-]

Those who engage in an action in which not all participants enter of their own will is immoral. Yes, war is generally immoral in the modern era.

Comment author: nshepperd 22 December 2012 02:57:23AM 2 points [-]

Those who engage in an action in which not all participants enter of their own will is immoral.

A theory of morality that looks nice on paper but is completely wrong. In a war between Good and Evil, Good should win. It doesn't matter if Evil consented.

Comment author: Decius 22 December 2012 03:40:16AM 0 points [-]

You're following narrative logic there. Also, using the definitions given, anyone who unilaterally starts a war is Evil, and anyone who starts a war consents to it. It is logically impossible for Good to defeat Evil in a contest that Evil did not willingly choose to engage in.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 22 December 2012 07:35:56AM 1 point [-]

What if Evil is actively engaged in say torturing others?

Comment author: Decius 22 December 2012 07:41:51AM 0 points [-]

What if Evil is actively engaged in say torturing others? [Without the consent of the tortured]

Acts like constitute acts of the 'war' between Good and Evil that you are so eager to have. Have at them.

Comment author: nshepperd 22 December 2012 05:46:35AM *  1 point [-]

Right, just like it's logically impossible for Good to declare war against Evil to prevent or stop Evil from doing bad things that aren't war.

Comment author: Decius 22 December 2012 07:27:53AM 1 point [-]

Exactly. You can't be Good and do immoral things. Also, abstractions don't take actions.

Comment author: [deleted] 22 December 2012 02:25:57AM 2 points [-]

Those who engage in an action in which not all participants enter of their own will is immoral.

Er, that kind-of includes asking a stranger for the time.

Comment author: Decius 22 December 2012 02:39:49AM 0 points [-]

Er, that kind-of includes asking a stranger for the time.

Now we enter the realm of the social contract and implied consent.