Decius comments on By Which It May Be Judged - Less Wrong

35 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 10 December 2012 04:26AM

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Comment author: Decius 21 December 2012 06:01:07AM 0 points [-]

Consider the possibility that you are not experiencing everything that humans do. Can you provide any evidence, even to yourself, that you are? Could a p-zombie provide that same evidence?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 22 December 2012 07:42:13AM 1 point [-]

Consider the possibility that you are not experiencing everything that humans do.

How is this relevant? My point is that I'm experiencing what I'm experiencing.

Comment author: Decius 22 December 2012 07:57:12AM 3 points [-]

I'm experiencing what I'm experiencing.

And p-zombies are experiencing what they're experiencing. You can't use a similarity to distinguish.

Comment author: nshepperd 22 December 2012 09:34:13AM 3 points [-]

P-zombies aren't experiencing anything. By definition.

Comment author: Kawoomba 22 December 2012 09:46:34AM 2 points [-]

Those two statements are both tautologically true and do not contradict one another.

Comment author: Decius 22 December 2012 03:38:03PM 0 points [-]

What would be different, to you, if you weren't experiencing anything, but were physically identical?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 23 December 2012 01:44:46AM 3 points [-]

I wouldn't be experiencing anything.

Comment author: Decius 23 December 2012 04:54:06AM -1 points [-]

I thought it had been established that wasn't a difference.

Comment author: nshepperd 22 December 2012 09:45:11PM 1 point [-]

Are you asking what I would experience? Because I wouldn't. Not to mention that such a thing can't happen if, as I expect, subjective experience arises from physics.

Comment author: Decius 22 December 2012 10:33:46PM 0 points [-]

Sorry, I thought you were disagreeing with me.

Comment author: Osuniev 23 December 2012 02:36:59AM *  0 points [-]

"How is this relevant?"

It is relevant because i you cannot find any experimental differences betweenn you and a you NOT experiencing, then maybe there is no such difference.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 24 December 2012 06:02:30AM 1 point [-]

i you cannot find any experimental differences betweenn you and a you NOT experiencing

I cannot present you with evidence that I am experiencing, except maybe by analogy with yourself. I, however, know that I experience because I experience it.