TimS comments on The challenges of bringing up AIs - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TimS 10 December 2012 04:02:52PM 18 points [-]

What, if anything, do proponents of the raise-AI-as-kids proponents say when someone asserts that we don't have a particularly reliable process for producing Friendly children?

Comment author: J_Taylor 11 December 2012 05:14:54AM 1 point [-]

In the defense of the raise-AI-as-kids proponents, ethics committees tend to limit the search for reliable processes for producing Friendly children.

Comment author: TimS 11 December 2012 05:08:55PM 4 points [-]

Anyone with an idea and a computer can write an advice book on how to raise children. And Science really doesn't know what techniques have what effects in particular circumstances.

If we really knew how to raise Friendly children, public schools wouldn't be the mess that they are.

None of that has anything to do with IRB or other ethics reviews.

Comment author: J_Taylor 11 December 2012 05:45:41PM 1 point [-]

If we really knew how to raise Friendly children, public schools wouldn't be the mess that they are.

I am not talking about taking N children and getting N children, maximizing average Friendliness of the children. I am talking about, given N children, finding some regimen X, such that a child which has finished regimen X will have the highest expected Friendliness.

Regimen X may well involve frequent metaphorical culling of children who have low expected Friendliness.

Comment author: TimS 11 December 2012 06:46:00PM 1 point [-]

It isn't clear that Science knows even a culling regime that would create Friendly child. If there were a reliable culling regime, we'd have Friendly politicians.

Also, what's up with this degree-of-Friendliness language. AGI that has a small degree of Friendly is called uFAI. We're already quite confident that we could make uFAI if we could make AGI at all.

Comment author: timtyler 10 December 2012 11:36:41PM *  -2 points [-]

We are bringing up machines in society today. Interactions with society do apparently help them to pick up human values - so cars have air bags, blenders have safety lids, and social networks have privacy awareness.

Attempting to avoid interactions with society means that your machines will be untested, and they will be insulated from economic growth that might fuel their development. So: other things being equal, such approaches are less likely to be safe, and more likely to come last - in which case their safety is irrelevant.