Manfred comments on Parallelizing Rationality: How Should Rationalists Think in Groups? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Manfred 17 December 2012 01:31:29PM 0 points [-]

is precisely falling into that same trap.

Well, close. But as life is not always that cute, not quite :P

Consider that under NGT, you are given 10 to 15 minutes to think of solutions before anyone gets to propose any solutions. That strikes me as longer than a typical "hold off".

I agree that this will definitely help with the social bits - I'm worried about the bits that are internal to a person, where people just have some common failure modes when trying to solve problems. To give a personal anecdote, say I give someone a polarizing filter, a light intensity sensor, and a piece of plastic and say "when this piece of plastic is at an angle, what happens to the light?" If they immediately start looking for solutions, rather than playing around, they will fail. 9 times out of ten. Kiss of death, no social stuff needed. The people who figure out the correct answer with any reasonable rate are the same people who explore things just to explore things.

Comment author: almkglor 17 December 2012 08:55:43PM 0 points [-]

I'm worried about the bits that are internal to a person, where people just have some common failure modes when trying to solve problems.

shrugs Well, seatbelts don't stop accidents, but they do reduce the side effects of getting into one. While the disputation arenas do not directly prevent such internal failure modes, they help prevent that internal failure mode in a key influential person from spreading to the rest of the group. Yes, hold off on proposing solutions (don't drink and drive). But also put some extra railing and padding so that others making a mistake do not necessarily get you into error either (seatbelts)