steven0461 comments on "What Is Wrong With Our Thoughts" - Less Wrong

23 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 17 May 2009 07:24AM

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Comment author: byrnema 18 May 2009 09:21:32PM *  0 points [-]

If this is true, it is an empirical fact; and you should be able to see the alternative as possible!

Indeed, 2+2=4 is only true in some contexts. For example, sometimes 1+1=1 -- in contexts where separate objects lose their distinct identity as soon as they are grouped. (Think of a particular object several times. How many times did you think of it? But how many objects did you think of?)

Later edit: It is interesting that such a benign comment would get 4 down votes. Perhaps I understand this group well enough to guess why: the experiment I suggested is an entirely "internal" one, it provides no external proof of what I am suggesting. I think that a common reader here feels dismissive of, if not entirely antagonistically towards, knowledge that is internally generated. Personally, I have a preference for the knowledge that arises from internal experience.

Comment author: steven0461 18 May 2009 09:28:17PM 1 point [-]

Doesn't that just mean that grouping doesn't always correspond to addition?

Comment author: byrnema 18 May 2009 11:09:39PM 1 point [-]

Yes. If 1+1 is anything other than 2, then it's not addition. I gave an example of how combining two things together doesn't always yield addition.