Dentin comments on Ontological Crisis in Humans - Less Wrong

41 Post author: Wei_Dai 18 December 2012 05:32PM

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Comment author: RichardKennaway 18 December 2012 06:51:07PM 8 points [-]

should we be very sanguine that for humans everything must "add up to moral normality"?

No. People do go out of their minds on nihilism now and then.

And I've already seen two LWers who have discovered such compassion for the suffering of animals that they want to exterminate them all except for a few coddled pets, one of whom isn't sure that humans should exist at all.

Less dramatically, any number of Buddhists have persuaded themselves that they don't exist, although I'm not sure how many just believe that they believe that.

"If nothing really exists and it's all just emptiness and even the emptiness is empty of existence, then how could I have killed all those nonexistent people with my nonexistent hands?

"Tell it to the nonexistent prison walls, buddy."

Comment author: Dentin 18 December 2012 09:22:33PM 6 points [-]

I went through my nihilism crisis a little over two years ago. I was depressed and sad, and didn't see any point in existing. After about two weeks, I realized what was going on - that I had kicked that last pillar of "the universe has meaning" out from under my model of the world. It was odd, having something that seemed so trivial have so much of an impact on my well being. Prior to that experience, I would not have expected it.

But once I realized that was the problem, once I realized that life had no point, things changed. The problem at that point simply became, "why do I exist, and why do I care?" The answer I came up with is that I exist because the universe happens to be set up this way. And I care (about any/everything) simply because my genetics, atoms, molecules, and processing architecture are set up in a way that happens to care.

This was good enough. In fact, it's turned out to be better than what I had before. I love life, I want to experience things, I want to contribute, I want to maximize the utility function that is partially of my own making and partially not.

Getting through to true nihilism can be difficult, and I can see many people not having the ability to do so. But in my case, it has served me well, as my model of the world is now more accurate.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 19 December 2012 09:42:31PM 0 points [-]

I came by anti idealism through Stirner, who framed it as "Whose cause?" Maybe that's why I never hit the "it's all pointless" stage, and progressed directly to my cause - acting according to my values. Free to love what I love, and hate what I hate. And similar to you, I find it better than before. To own your values is more satisfying than feeling they're dictates from a higher power.