Zaine comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 17, chapter 86 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Zaine 17 December 2012 08:48:05AM *  0 points [-]

I'd really appreciate any feedback on this comment. It's how I'm currently viewing the Methods universe, and if wrong, learning so would save me some minutes re-thinking things should obvious contrary evidence arise.

I've read up to chapter eighty-three.

Comment author: Manfred 17 December 2012 09:11:11AM *  3 points [-]

It's a reasonable guess, but if you remember the fourth book, Harry's expelliarmus can interact with Tom Riddle's abracadabra, so if Quirrel is using the wand that is the brother's to Harry's (yay wandlore), there is a canon explanation.

Comment author: Zaine 17 December 2012 09:14:21AM 1 point [-]

I had neglected that. Now I wonder whether it is their magic that can't interact, or their wands.

Comment author: ygert 17 December 2012 04:18:15PM 2 points [-]

If it is their wands that cannot interact, that means that they can use wandless magic on one another. I don't remember if it was ever stated in the story that Quirrell cannot do wandless magic on Harry, but if he can that gives him a very big advantage when it finally comes down to a showdown between them.

Comment author: DanArmak 17 December 2012 10:06:19AM 2 points [-]

When their whatever interacted, to save himself Quirrel threw away his wand, and it seemed to help.

Comment author: drethelin 17 December 2012 05:38:42PM 1 point [-]

If it's similar to in canon, their wands are brothers but Harry touching Quirrel will also cause problems.

Comment author: Eneasz 17 December 2012 05:12:56PM 1 point [-]

I have always assumed that their magics cannot interact in any way without destroying each other and having devastating effects on the casters. Likewise, they can't touch each other. Thus the sense of doom when they approach each other, and the need for Harry to completely undo his transfiguration (as Quirrell couldn't cast anything on it), and him wearing a glove so he wouldn't directly touch Quirrell's transfigured rocket. In the duel the two spells actually touched, destroying both. Since magics are an extension of a person (hypothetical) it was almost like the two of them touched physically. Tossing his wand helped Quirrell put some magical distance between the two of them.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 18 December 2012 05:05:06AM 2 points [-]

Thus the sense of doom when they approach each other,

So the HPMoR universe is kind enough to warn people with a sense of doom before they do something likely to result in a magically devastating effect. Interesting.

Comment author: Zaine 17 December 2012 06:26:56PM 0 points [-]

I agree, and was actually going to write this myself. That is the most likely interpretation based on what we know of HP:MoR sans outside canon information that may or may not be the case. I would think a thirteen inch bone (or ivory?) wand would have noticed by Dumbledore or Snape - anyone, in fact.