ArisKatsaris comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 17, chapter 86 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ArisKatsaris 18 December 2012 10:57:24AM *  11 points [-]

could run strategic circles around them and kill half of all Dark Lords who ever lived by owling them bombs.

Harry thought he could figure out who the Death Eaters were by checking their arms for the Dark Mark. Turns out it's not that simple.

Now he (and you) still think that you get rid of a dangerous enemy by owling them bombs. Does either of you even have any reason to believe that there isn't a magical precaution against sending dangerous objects through the owl mail system?

Comment author: Xachariah 19 December 2012 12:30:54AM 6 points [-]

Harry thought he could figure out who the Death Eaters were by checking their arms for the Dark Mark. Turns out it's not that simple.

Er, he broke that protection in about five minutes of thought. That's evidence for actually being able to run strategic circles around magical Britain.

Comment author: jimmy 19 December 2012 08:30:18AM 6 points [-]

Dumbledore did hand him the "You're wrong, think about it for 5 minutes" cue in a way that got him to do it. That kind of thing is crazy helpful.

Comment author: DanArmak 21 December 2012 07:27:16PM *  5 points [-]

And yet Dumbledore and everyone else he though of asking couldn't solve it themselves for twenty years. For the last ten years, Snape would have told them if they'd even made the right suggestion.

Comment author: DanArmak 18 December 2012 02:23:18PM 4 points [-]

Harry thought he could figure out who the Death Eaters were by checking their arms for the Dark Mark. Turns out it's not that simple.

Like I said, Voldemort is one of the only two or three competent wizards shown.

Does either of you even have any reason to believe that there isn't a magical precaution against sending dangerous objects through the owl mail system?

It's more likely that there isn't than that there is, and it's something to be (quickly and easily) tested. This particular example aside, owling bombs isn't intended to be taken literally; it's a stand-in for a simple attack that wizards don't expect. Any particular such attack may not work, but I strongly expect that if Harry dedicated a whole day to thinking up and actually trying such "low-tech" attacks, vetting them with Dumbledore against known defenses to save time, then he could come up with enough attacks to take down at least half the Dark Lords in recent history.

Comment author: MugaSofer 18 December 2012 07:13:25PM 1 point [-]

On the one hand, the fact that owl bombs are not a common tactic is itself evidence against the being usable. On the other hand, in canon you could definitely send dangerous objects through the mail.

Comment author: CronoDAS 19 December 2012 05:39:23AM 3 points [-]

In the MoR!verse, at least, Dumbledore is screening Harry's mail instead of letting it go to him directly. So "owling hand grenades" won't work against someone who takes precautions to prevent it. The question is whether the target is taking precautions or is simply going to let owls deliver strange packages.

Comment author: jsalvatier 22 December 2012 04:51:44AM 1 point [-]

Dumbledore could also screen it for other reasons.

Comment author: CronoDAS 22 December 2012 07:12:45AM 3 points [-]

Indeed. Dumbledore told Harry that he would have a hard time (emotionally) dealing with his "fan mail" and Harry pretty much agreed. Whether Dumbledore has any other motive is left as an exercise for the reader.