gwern comments on Notes on Psychopathy - Less Wrong

18 Post author: gwern 19 December 2012 04:02AM

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Comment author: TrE 20 December 2012 03:21:02PM *  2 points [-]

I do not want empathy-free sentient beings wandering about.

I do. At least as long as they behave. If you're intelligent enough to know (on an abstract level) why altruism and cooperation is good for humans within societies and have enough self-control to live by this principle, I don't know why empathy remains important. I mean, as a terminal value.

Slightly-less-empathetic people are okay but surely not more desirable than otherwise similarly intelligent empathetic people.

Empathetic, slightly-less-intelligent people are okay but surely not more desirable than otherwise similarly empathetic intelligent people. Punishing less intelligent people just because of this appears to be just as useless and (w.r.t. my morality) immoral as punishing less empathetic people.

I draw the line at outright criminal acts, I think.

I do this for the general population.

there's a tradeoff between the diversity of brains and the number of people murdered by psychopaths but I think we should probably worry about reducing murders first and then safely explore brain diversity once we understand brains better.

If there's a better approach to reducing murders by psychopaths than decreasing the number of psychopaths (by hindering them from reproducing, killing them, or other other suchs means), I'd opt for that.

Comment author: gwern 20 December 2012 04:52:06PM 5 points [-]

If there's a better approach to reducing murders by psychopaths than decreasing the number of psychopaths (by hindering them from reproducing), I'd opt for that.

I feel I should point out that the harms of psychopathy are only rarely covered by murder.

(eg. Cleckley in The Mask of Sanity places great and repeated emphasis on how almost none of his patients ever engaged in violence worse than beating their wife, and I don't think he mentions any murders ever, even though the case studies are otherwise a long litany of constant crime, deceit, fraud, and destruction (including a truly astonishing amount of forgery of checks).)

Comment author: TrE 20 December 2012 05:58:09PM 1 point [-]

Of course you are correct, thanks for pointing out. I responded to the "tradeoff between brain diversity and murders" without thinking myself.

Still, I don't think psychopathic individuals should be prosecuted a priori, considering that they likely make up 1% of the general population.