Qiaochu_Yuan comments on Ritual Report 2012: Life, Death, Light, Darkness, and Love. - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 24 December 2012 11:34:37AM 6 points [-]

I don't think I'm worrying about brainwashing concerns or failing the social proof respectability checks.

I'm seeing a community cementing thing that I see no intrinsic fun in and a lot of other people seem to be seeing intrinsic fun in, which is tripping my "pretend to be like the normals and make the extra effort to participate in the unfun thing that is actually fun for them because they are not like you and then they might be less likely to kill you" instinct.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 24 December 2012 11:48:54AM 1 point [-]

When you say "see no intrinsic fun in" do you mean "this doesn't sound like fun" or do you mean "I have tried this, it wasn't fun, and I don't anticipate rationalists being able to do it in a way that would make it fun"? If the former, do you think actually trying it would be valuable in the name of gathering more information? In general, what are your thoughts on comfort zone expansion?

Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 24 December 2012 12:09:07PM 6 points [-]

The latter. I've been through all sorts of community forming rituals, and always found them nonsensical and mostly unfun. Comfort zone expansion is good, but if a tried thing is not working out, it's not working out.