kilobug comments on Gun Control: How would we know? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: kilobug 21 December 2012 10:18:38AM 2 points [-]

My own view on gun control is that it's a kind of prisoner's dilemma equilibrium, with the "high gun" equilibrium (US) being the defect situation, and the "low gun" equilibrium (France) being the cooperate situation. And that like many cases of real life prisoner’s dilemma, an "external power" (in that case the state) enforcing the cooperation by adding an additional penalty to defection can work, but doesn't always work.

I definitely think the French situation is much saner than the US one, but I just don't know if it's realistically possible to apply it in the US.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 22 December 2012 06:06:09AM 3 points [-]

An important point is that guns take less skill and strength to use effectively than other weapons. Thus someone without much strength or the free time to acquire the relevant skill may well prefer an environment where guns are the strategically dominant weapon. Or as the famous quote goes:

God made some men bigger and stronger than others, but Mr. Colt made all men equal.

Comment author: Peterdjones 05 January 2013 04:55:28PM -2 points [-]

If they are predominant amongst agressors and victoms alike, that obviously cancels through. In fact, if one had ones druthers, no ratioanl individual would want to be sitting at the end of an arms race.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 05 January 2013 08:55:03PM 2 points [-]

If they are predominant amongst agressors and victoms alike, that obviously cancels through.

My point is that it doesn't. Aggressors are the ones who have an advantage in combat, e.g., those who are stronger or have the free time to train. Guns reduce the "strategic inequality" between those in the biggest advantage in combat and those with the smallest.

Comment author: Peterdjones 05 January 2013 09:58:34PM -1 points [-]

In a way that increases the chance victims will die or be injured in a confrontation. It's choosing to stand at the end of an arms race.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 06 January 2013 06:45:35AM 1 point [-]

In a way that increases the chance victims will die or be injured in a confrontation.

It also increases the chance the aggressor will die or be injured, thus reducing the motivation to become an aggressor and decreasing the chance that a confrontation occurs in the first place.

Comment author: Peterdjones 05 January 2013 04:53:43PM 0 points [-]

The UK is much more low gun than France. Gendarmes are routinely armed, bobbies are not.