NancyLebovitz comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 18, chapter 87 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MixedNuts 23 December 2012 12:41:23PM 4 points [-]

What happens if you write a female character then go back and change the pronouns?

Comment author: Alicorn 23 December 2012 02:12:19PM 3 points [-]

I have never tried this. I don't think it would feel comfortable.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 23 December 2012 04:26:22PM 7 points [-]

I've seen it mentioned elsewhere as a way of finding out what background assumptions one has about gender.

Unfortunately, I have no obvious way of tracking down the cite, but I think the author found that when the male characters were given female pronouns, the amount of agency they showed became very unattractive. I don't remember what the shift was when the male characters were given female pronouns.

On my first reading of Mieville's Embassytown, I kept getting thrown out of the story because I couldn't believe the protagonist was female. I think it's because she was more interested in travel than in people. On the second reading, it wasn't a problem.

Comment author: NihilCredo 23 December 2012 10:13:54PM 7 points [-]

A prominent pop-culture example is the Mass Effect sci-fi game series. Unless Commander Shepard's gender is directly relevant (such as during romantic subplots), he/she will say the exact same lines whether man or woman.

Over five years and three lengthy and ambitious games, I've probably read hundreds of pages of people discussing every aspect of the series and its narrative. The single time I can remember anyone saying that 'FemShep' felt a bit off was in direct response to the above observation; outside of that, she was wildly popular and often named as a positive model for the writing of female protagonists.

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 24 December 2012 11:39:41AM 2 points [-]

Tangent: This basically does that. It doesn't work perfectly on hpmor, though - it swaps the pronouns just fine, but only some of the names, so you have to not only remember that Harry is now Harriet but also do that without being thrown off by the fact that Hermione is still Hermione but with male pronouns. That's patchable (eg, eg), but I don't know that it'd be worth the trouble.