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Where did the husk go?
The enemies are already dead, and revenge can be taken later now that the Fidelus charm is broken. Lucius and Draco are not insane and broken creatures like Bellatrix; Voldemort's well-being and orders are not a lexicographic preference to them.
He's not The Boy Who Lived. He's just an NPC laying around.
That's a good point, but consider the alternative: Dumbledore shows up, he sees the mess and dead bodies, he disposes of the charred corpse of Voldemort but leaves the wand laying around, and then he... leaves? Fails to set up any sort of defenses or wards around the crime scene? So Bellatrix can, unknown minutes/hours later when her patience runs out, just waltz in, not find her lord, find his wand, and flee? (Although your specific scenario has him foreseeing everything and deliberately leaving his wand behind, I suppose.)
Hm, don't we need to account for Sirius Black somehow? What with Hagrid and the motorcyle, I mean.
Oh yes, I assure that that was pointed out to Eliezer many moons ago. I look forward to seeing it pop up somehow.
I question the official story line that the husk is the remains of Voldemort after his supposed attack on Harry. Was it a husk planted by Voldemort? Planted by Dumbledore? Planted when?
As I think I mentioned, I have a hard time squaring Dumbledore planting the husk; he'd have to have been pretty confident that Voldemort wouldn't be returning soon to screw up his story. But I'm not ruling it out.
The enemy is not dead - son of an enemy, is an enemy. And why put off revenge now? Why assume that with Voldemort possibly dead, that revenge would even be possible later?
I think I'm losing track of our alternatives.
You give an alternative under the branch of possibilities where Bellatrix retrieved the wand from Godric's Hollow. You're alternative doesn't look likely to me either.
I've been making the case that the whole branch of possibilities entailed by Bellatrix retrieving the wand at Godric's Hollow is unlikely. I think he left the wand with her, and she was told to wait for him with it, so that he could eventually retrieve it from her. But then, why not just hide it? Why involve her at all? Just because he'd rather have someone protect it? Seems weak, but seems better than the alternatives I can come up with.
One of the problems we're having is a lack of specification in the plot. If Dumbledore didn't find his wand there, wouldn't Dumbledore or others have pointed that out? If he did find a wand, but someone else's wand, wouldn't that have been noted?
It seems unlikely that he wouldn't suspect a trap at Godric's Hollow. It seems unlikely that he wouldn't recognize ritual magic when he saw it. It seems unlikely that Bellatrix could have gotten the wand if it had been left at Godric's Hollow.
Yet she had it.
My take: I guess Voldemort left his wand with Bellatrix and told her to wait for him.
If he fell for "the trap", then he did it on purpose, to set Harry up as a savior in magical Britain, and to make some alterations to Harry to make him more powerful.
Possibly, he's doing this to eventually "upload" into Harry after Harry appears to defeat Voldemort yet again. Both Malfoy and Bellatrix now think Harry is Voldemort already. All of Britain will be united under Harrymort. Harrymort rules!