Decius comments on New censorship: against hypothetical violence against identifiable people - Less Wrong

22 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 23 December 2012 09:00PM

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Comment author: Decius 24 December 2012 05:23:31AM 4 points [-]

Why the explicit class distinction?

It would be prohibited to discuss how to or speed and avoid being cited for it. (I thought that this was already policy, and I believe it to be a good policy.)

It would not be prohibited to discuss how to be a vagrant and avoid being cited for it. (Middle class people temporarily without residences typically aren't treated as poorly as the underclass.)

Should the proper distinction be 'serious' crimes, or perhaps 'crimes of infamy'?

Comment author: DanArmak 26 December 2012 08:10:50PM 0 points [-]

Should the proper distinction be 'serious' crimes, or perhaps 'crimes of infamy'?

As judged by who?

(I don't endorse EY's original proposal, either.)

Comment author: Decius 26 December 2012 08:48:55PM 0 points [-]

As judged by the person making the decision to delete.

Comment author: DanArmak 26 December 2012 08:52:50PM 1 point [-]

I don't think the words "serious crime" have the property that different judges would make very similar judgements about a given discussion.

Comment author: Decius 26 December 2012 09:05:00PM 0 points [-]

Is that phrase better or worse than

laws that are actually enforced against middle-class people

Comment author: DanArmak 26 December 2012 11:20:38PM 1 point [-]

"Laws that are actually enforced" is at least an empirical question. "Serious crime" is just a value judgement.

Comment author: Decius 27 December 2012 01:25:26AM *  1 point [-]

"Middle class" is just as much an undefined term as "serious crime".

It's concerning that we are having trouble agreeing on where the edge cases are, much less how to decide them.