drethelin comments on New censorship: against hypothetical violence against identifiable people - Less Wrong

22 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 23 December 2012 09:00PM

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Comment author: drethelin 24 December 2012 07:19:14AM 15 points [-]

This is similar to how I feel. I was perfectly happy with his response to the incident but became progressively less happy with his responses to the responses.

Comment author: orthonormal 26 December 2012 05:28:33AM 6 points [-]

There is a rare personality trait which allows a person to read and respond to hundreds of critical comments without compromising their perspicacity and composure. Luke, for instance, has demonstrated this trait; Eliezer hasn't (to the detriment of this discussion and some prior ones).

(I'd bet at 10-to-1 that Eliezer agrees with this assessment.)

Comment author: lukeprog 02 February 2013 12:31:10AM 3 points [-]

There is a rare personality trait which allows a person to read and respond to hundreds of critical comments without compromising their perspicacity and composure. Luke, for instance, has demonstrated this trait

Not sure I totally agree. My LW comments may show retained composure in most cases, but I can think of two instances in the past few months in which I became (mildly) emotional in SI meetings in ways that disrupted my judgment until after I had cooled down. Anna can confirm, as she happens to have been present for both meetings. (Eliezer could also confirm if he had better episodic memory.) The first instance was a board meeting at which we discussed different methods of tracking project expenses, the second was at a strategy meeting which Anna compared to a Markov chain.

Anyway, I'm aware of people who are better at this than I am, and building this skill is one of my primary self-improvement goals at this time.

Comment author: orthonormal 03 February 2013 04:02:15PM 2 points [-]

I appreciate you sharing this.

Keeping one's composure in person and keeping one's composure on the Internet are distinct aptitudes (and only somewhat correlated, as far as I can tell), and it still looks to me like you've done well at the latter.

Comment author: wedrifid 26 December 2012 06:01:31AM 1 point [-]

There is a rare personality trait which allows a person to read and respond to hundreds of critical comments without compromising their perspicacity and composure. Luke, for instance, has demonstrated this trait; Eliezer hasn't (to the detriment of this discussion and some prior ones).

There is another personality trait (or skill) that allows one to be comfortable with acknowledging areas of weakness and delegating to people more capable. Fortunately Eliezer was able to do this with respect to managing SIAI. He seems to have lost some of that capability or awareness in recent times.

Comment author: hairyfigment 27 December 2012 07:04:12AM -2 points [-]

Quite possibly. I'd still oppose putting you in charge of the website. :)

Comment author: wedrifid 28 December 2012 05:11:42AM *  0 points [-]

Quite possibly. I'd still oppose putting you in charge of the website.

Irrelevant and unnecessary. Particularly since I happen to have the self awareness in question, know that becoming Luke would be exhausting to me and so would immediately hand off the responsibility. What I wouldn't do is go about acting how I naturally wish to act and be unable to comprehend why my actions have the consequences that they inevitably have.

:)

Why are you smiling? This makes your remark all the more objectionable (in as much as it indicates either wit or rapport, neither of which are present.)