wedrifid comments on New censorship: against hypothetical violence against identifiable people - Less Wrong

22 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 23 December 2012 09:00PM

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Comment author: wedrifid 24 December 2012 10:09:13AM *  2 points [-]

This seems an excessively hostile and presumptuous way to state that you disagree with Anna's conclusion.

No it isn't, the meaning of my words are clear and quite simply do not mean what you say I am trying to say.

The disagreement with the claims of the linked comment is obviously implied as a premise somewhere in the background but the reason I support this policy really is because it produces mindkilled responses and near-obligatory dishonesty. I don't want to see bullshit on lesswrong. The things Eliezer plans to censor consistently encourage people to speak bullshit. Therefore, I support the censorship. Not complicated.

You may claim that it is rude or otherwise deprecated-by-fubarobfusco but if you say that my point is different to both what I intended and what the words could possibly mean then you're wrong.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 25 December 2012 02:06:22AM 6 points [-]

No it isn't, the meaning of my words are clear and quite simply do not mean what you say I am trying to say.

Well, taking your words seriously, you are claiming to be a Legilimens. Since you are not, maybe you are not as clear as you think you are.

It sure looks from what you wrote that you drew an inference from "Anna does not agree with me" to "Anna is running broken or disreputable inference rules, or is lying out of self-interest" without considering alternate hypotheses.

Comment author: jsalvatier 24 December 2012 07:24:49PM *  4 points [-]

This also seems like an excessively hostile way of disagreeing! I think there's some illusion of transparency going on.

I think

Sorry, I think you've misunderstood me. I don't want to see bullshit on lesswrong. [Elaboation] The things Eliezer plans to censor consistently encourage people to speak bullshit. Therefore, I support the censorship.

Might have worked better

Comment author: Pentashagon 26 December 2012 10:28:50PM 1 point [-]

The disagreement with the claims of the linked comment is obviously implied as a premise somewhere in the background but the reason I support this policy really is because it produces mindkilled responses and near-obligatory dishonesty. I don't want to see bullshit on lesswrong. The things Eliezer plans to censor consistently encourage people to speak bullshit. Therefore, I support the censorship. Not complicated.

There are a lot of topics about which most people have only bullshit to say. The solution is to downvote bullshit instead of censoring potentially important topics. If not enough people can detect bullshit that's an entirely different (and far worse) problem.