Vaniver comments on Ritual 2012: A Moment of Darkness - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vaniver 13 January 2013 05:29:19PM *  0 points [-]

No. Most humans believe eating meat is not wrong.

I really don't think it's a stretch to say that they value eating meat, even if only as an instrumental means for valuing tastiness and healthiness. Even beyond eating meat, it appears that a significant subset of humans (perhaps most?) enjoy hunting animals, suggesting that could be a value up for consideration.

And even if they do a tradeoff between the value of eating meat and the value of not inflicting suffering, that doesn't mean they don't have the value of eating meat. Policy debates should not appear one-sided.

Comment author: [deleted] 13 January 2013 06:28:17PM 0 points [-]

(perhaps most?)

You're talking about humans alive today? Or all humans who've ever lived? I'd be extremely surprised if more than 50% of the former had hunted and enjoyed it. (And, considering that approximately half the humans are female, I would be somewhat surprised about the latter as well.)

Comment author: Vaniver 13 January 2013 08:00:59PM 0 points [-]

So, by "enjoy hunting" I mean more "after going hunting, would enjoy it" than "have gone hunting and enjoyed it." In particular, I suspect that a non-hunter's opinion on hunting is probably not as predictive of their post-hunting experience as they would imagine that it would be. It is not clear to me if the percentage of women who would enjoy hunting is smaller than the percentage of men who would not.

Comment author: [deleted] 13 January 2013 09:40:49PM *  0 points [-]

In particular, I suspect that a non-hunter's opinion on hunting is probably not as predictive of their post-hunting experience as they would imagine that it would be.

Be careful with that kind of arguments, for the same is probably true of heroin. (Yes, there are huge differences between hunting and heroin, but still...)

Comment author: MugaSofer 13 January 2013 05:33:37PM -2 points [-]

Dammit, I was literally about to remove that claim when you posted this :(