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Alternate hypothesii:
1) I'm lying and this is a grab for status.
In this case, well, I'd expect a totally different internal state. If this is true, I might as well concede that I'm simply incapable of rationality when it comes to understanding myself and my own motives. Obviously you have a different perspective, so I'd mostly have to point at my comment history. If I value status, I'm certainly going for more of an "underdog" status as I routinely post anti-cryogenics and not-infrequently get nailed down to -1 or -2 for being brash, sarcastic, and generally abrasive :)
I'm not sure why I'd want to build up this sort of "underdog" status instead of writing a truly high-status post, except that it requires very little work, but then if I'm not putting work in to it, I can't value it that much can I?
2) I simply have a lower valuation of status, but it's still there. 3) I have a normal valuation of status, but other priorities override it.
These seem observationally indistinguishable, unless a loss of status is clearly painful to me, so I'm grouping them together.
Frankly, I have no clue how I'd easily distinguish this, nor prove it externally. Status IS instrumentally useful, so I'm not going to go out and sink my status just to prove a point (although I claim to have done that when status WASN'T instrumentally useful to me, and when I was young enough not to really grasp instrumental values, but you can't really confirm that...)
Alternate #1 I'd rate as < 1%. Alternate #2/3, combined, I'd rate ~20%, based on internal evidence.
So ~80% confident?
4) I value status similarly to most people, but believe otherwise because this value is implemented by areas of my mind that are opaque to me
5) I value status similarly to most people, but have acquired the alief that truth and understanding are high status and this has crowded out most of the behaviors that would normally be associated with status-optimizing.
4) Less than 1%; While internal evaluation is important, I primarily measure based on empirical behavior - I go without shaving my legs, I don't mind wearing stained clothing, I'll happily sit on wet grass... 2 or 3 seems just flat-out more plausible to me. This also fails to explain why I'm both low-status AND seem to be entirely content with that.
5) Less than 1%; I consciously believe that truth and understanding are LOW status, and I'd be rather baffled to be mistaken about that self evaluation.
Thank you though, I had not considered either :)
Do you think you would be writing using with capitalizations and conventional, non-phonetic, spelling if you were not concerned about status?
Is there a group, any group, of people whose respect and approval you do appreciate? Truth and understanding are high status here...
Be careful. Lost purposes like following an arbitrary rule set because it is the one you where taught first would happen even to status blind people.
izit relli eezier too rite like thiz than to follow the standard? Following the rules facilitates communication, their violation is disctracting. Not caring about status doesn't entail not caring about people repeatedly complaining about one's spelling instead of replying to the topic.
If I was going to do that, status considerations would hit before communication concerns would. And I wanted to see if I could elicit that same response.
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If you could WHAT?
That depends on situation and is besides the point anyway - even if there were no status considerations (think of a lolcat forum or something), I wouldn't do that (because it isn't easier). Would you?
Well, I notice strong fears of being judged (and other emotions that I have determined to be from status concern) surrounding the correct use of grammar and such, so I thought there was a chance that other people would share it. That seems like a point.
I was also thinking that if I were actually not concerned about status I probably would have stopped capitalizing things at all and I would have considered making other changes. That probably isn't true, though, because the instrumental value of grammar is still really high if it's a status concern for other people.
I would.
I refused to use anything but capital letters in my hand writing until I took calculus because I saw no functional difference between A and a as far as writing was concerned and A was easier to write.
In hind sight that seems like it would be evidence of low status valueing.
no but it is easier to type like this, no?
I agree with your point about ease of communication, though.
I never write/type without capitalisation even in private communication where the interlocutor does and thus my disorthography would cost me nothing in terms of status. Pressing shift once in a while isn't noticeably inconvenient to me and writing the standard way is simply a habit.
There are Communities where this is high status behavior. But i presume you would have considered this if you were to belong to such a community.