handoflixue comments on What if "status" IS a terminal value for most people? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: jimrandomh 25 December 2012 12:55:48AM *  11 points [-]

4) I value status similarly to most people, but believe otherwise because this value is implemented by areas of my mind that are opaque to me

5) I value status similarly to most people, but have acquired the alief that truth and understanding are high status and this has crowded out most of the behaviors that would normally be associated with status-optimizing.

Comment author: handoflixue 25 December 2012 02:08:19AM 0 points [-]

4) Less than 1%; While internal evaluation is important, I primarily measure based on empirical behavior - I go without shaving my legs, I don't mind wearing stained clothing, I'll happily sit on wet grass... 2 or 3 seems just flat-out more plausible to me. This also fails to explain why I'm both low-status AND seem to be entirely content with that.

5) Less than 1%; I consciously believe that truth and understanding are LOW status, and I'd be rather baffled to be mistaken about that self evaluation.

Thank you though, I had not considered either :)

Comment author: Jabberslythe 25 December 2012 02:44:53AM 2 points [-]

Do you think you would be writing using with capitalizations and conventional, non-phonetic, spelling if you were not concerned about status?

Is there a group, any group, of people whose respect and approval you do appreciate? Truth and understanding are high status here...

Comment author: [deleted] 25 December 2012 10:44:53AM *  2 points [-]

Do you think you would be writing using with capitalizations and conventional, non-phonetic, spelling if you were not concerned about status?

Be careful. Lost purposes like following an arbitrary rule set because it is the one you where taught first would happen even to status blind people.

Comment author: prase 25 December 2012 11:52:09PM 1 point [-]

izit relli eezier too rite like thiz than to follow the standard? Following the rules facilitates communication, their violation is disctracting. Not caring about status doesn't entail not caring about people repeatedly complaining about one's spelling instead of replying to the topic.

Comment author: Jabberslythe 26 December 2012 12:03:35AM *  0 points [-]

If I was going to do that, status considerations would hit before communication concerns would. And I wanted to see if I could elicit that same response.

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Comment author: RichardKennaway 26 December 2012 01:24:30AM 1 point [-]

And I wanted to see if I could illicit that same response.

If you could WHAT?

Comment author: prase 26 December 2012 12:22:46AM *  0 points [-]

If I was going to do that, status considerations would hit before communication concerns would

That depends on situation and is besides the point anyway - even if there were no status considerations (think of a lolcat forum or something), I wouldn't do that (because it isn't easier). Would you?

Comment author: Jabberslythe 26 December 2012 01:28:27AM 0 points [-]

Well, I notice strong fears of being judged (and other emotions that I have determined to be from status concern) surrounding the correct use of grammar and such, so I thought there was a chance that other people would share it. That seems like a point.

I was also thinking that if I were actually not concerned about status I probably would have stopped capitalizing things at all and I would have considered making other changes. That probably isn't true, though, because the instrumental value of grammar is still really high if it's a status concern for other people.

I would.

Comment author: Nighzmarquls 06 January 2013 06:22:22AM 0 points [-]

I refused to use anything but capital letters in my hand writing until I took calculus because I saw no functional difference between A and a as far as writing was concerned and A was easier to write.

In hind sight that seems like it would be evidence of low status valueing.

Comment author: BerryPick6 26 December 2012 12:00:27AM 0 points [-]

no but it is easier to type like this, no?

I agree with your point about ease of communication, though.

Comment author: prase 26 December 2012 12:15:37AM *  1 point [-]

I never write/type without capitalisation even in private communication where the interlocutor does and thus my disorthography would cost me nothing in terms of status. Pressing shift once in a while isn't noticeably inconvenient to me and writing the standard way is simply a habit.

Comment author: ema 25 December 2012 09:56:26PM *  0 points [-]

I go without shaving my legs, I don't mind wearing stained clothing, I'll happily sit on wet grass

There are Communities where this is high status behavior. But i presume you would have considered this if you were to belong to such a community.