Eugine_Nier comments on Morality Isn't Logical - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 28 December 2012 11:12:33PM 1 point [-]

I've always thought that not wanting harm to come to anyone as an instrumental value was a pretty obvious, standard part of utilitarianism, and 62% of LWers are consequentialist, according to the 2012 survey.

What do you mean by "utilitarianism"? The word has two different common meanings around here: any type of consequentialism, and the specific type of consequentialism that uses "total happiness" as a utility function. This sentence appears to be designed to confuse the two meanings.

The post "Policy Debates Should Not Appear One Sided" is fairly highly regarded, and it esposes a related view, that people don't deserve harm for their stupidity.

That is most definitely not the main point of that post.

Comment author: Solvent 28 December 2012 11:47:36PM 0 points [-]

What do you mean by "utilitarianism"? The word has two different common meanings around here: any type of consequentialism, and the specific type of consequentialism that uses "total happiness" as a utility function. This sentence appears to be designed to confuse the two meanings.

Yeah, my mistake. I'd never run across any other versions of consequentialism apart from utilitarianism (except for Clippy, of course). I suppose caring only for yourself might count? But do you seriously think that the majority of those consequentialists aren't utilitarian?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 28 December 2012 11:58:55PM 1 point [-]

Well, even Eliezer's version of consequentialism isn't simple utilitarianism for starters.

Comment author: Solvent 29 December 2012 12:02:18AM 0 points [-]

It's a kind of utilitarianism. I'm including act utilitarianism and desire utilitarianism and preference utilitarianism and whatever in utilitarianism.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 29 December 2012 09:43:41PM 1 point [-]

Ok, what is your definition of "utilitarianism"?