timtyler comments on Intelligence explosion in organizations, or why I'm not worried about the singularity - Less Wrong

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Comment author: timtyler 29 December 2012 02:04:01PM *  0 points [-]

Such an organisation can self-modify, but those modifications aren't recursive. They can't use one improvement to fuel another, they would have to come up with the next one independently

Really? It seems to me as though software companies do this all the time. Think about Eclipse, for instance. The developers of Eclipse use Eclipse to program Eclipse with. Improvements to it help them make further improvements directly.

(or if they could, it wouldn't be nearly to the extent that an AGI could

So, the recursive self-improvement is a matter of degree? It sounds as though you now agree.

Comment author: falenas108 29 December 2012 03:49:14PM -1 points [-]

It's like the post here: http://lesswrong.com/lw/w5/cascades_cycles_insight/

It's highly unlikely a company will be able to get >1.

Comment author: timtyler 29 December 2012 07:33:46PM -1 points [-]

It's like the post here: http://lesswrong.com/lw/w5/cascades_cycles_insight/

To me, that just sounds like confusion about the relationship between genetic and psychological evolution.

It's highly unlikely a company will be able to get >1.

Um > 1 what. It's easy to make irrefutable predictions when what you say is vague and meaningless.

Comment author: falenas108 30 December 2012 02:03:40AM -1 points [-]

The point of the article is that if the recursion can work on itself more than a certain amount, then each new insight allows for more insights, as in the case of uranium for a nuclear bomb. > 1 refers to the average amount of improvement that an AGI that is foom-ing can gain from an insight.

What I was trying to say is the factor for corporations is much less than 1, which makes it different from an AGI. (To see this effect, try plugging in .9^x in a calculator, then 1.1^x)