handoflixue comments on Donation tradeoffs in conscientious objection - Less Wrong

0 Post author: p4wnc6 27 December 2012 05:23PM

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Comment author: p4wnc6 27 December 2012 09:38:38PM *  0 points [-]

I was not trying to write a post to defend conscientious objection as a philosophy. I was trying to ask the following: given that you already sincerely believe in conscientious objection to war what should you do to elevate that signal to a level that e.g. a draft board would find acceptable?

It's true that you did not see any reasons in my post regarding why I oppose war. That was intentional. I wanted to write a thread about tradeoffs and decision making conditional on being a sincere conscientious objector.

Not every post should start from a philosophical recapitulation of all the beliefs held as supporting foundations.

If it looks to me that your post is about how to most cheaply fake pacifism,

I just don't understand this. I'm not asking about faking pacifism. I'm asking about how to efficiently signal actual pacifism. How else am I supposed to ask about that?

I could certainly write better. But I also expect readers to think about it a little more. It's easy to say I'm trying to fake a signal and then just stop reading. But is that really a justified interpretation of what I'm asking? And even if it was, what's wrong with doing the thought experiment where you simulate being a sincere conscientious objector and ask yourself what the right tradeoffs would be?

If LW discussion isn't the right place for doing that, I don't know where else on earth is.

Comment author: Khoth 27 December 2012 10:22:10PM 0 points [-]

If LW discussion isn't the right place for doing that, I don't know where else on earth is.

Somewhere where there's no risk of the draft board googling it, that's where.

Comment author: handoflixue 28 December 2012 09:35:27PM 5 points [-]

p(Draft Board is even AWARE of p4wnc6 really being John Smith) TIMES p(Draft Board even bothering with Google) TIMES p(LessWrong is a top result) TIMES p(An old thread is high on Google) AND/OR p(They spend time going through all their old threads)

So, um... seriously? You consider that compound possibility MORE LIKELY than LessWrong producing useful draft-dodging advice? I can't help but think that would be strong evidence that LessWrong is bloody useless at problem solving, if it were true.

Comment author: p4wnc6 28 December 2012 11:49:47PM 1 point [-]

I allude to this point and get -3 votes. I appreciate this point. There are many good criticisms of what I've written. But this idea that I should be worried about an "internet trail" about it is not one of them.