Esar comments on A cure for akrasia - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 29 December 2012 03:50:36PM -1 points [-]

It's not actually a paradox, because the refund is guaranteed in advance (either you'll do something akratic because everyone does, or he'll use the paradox logic to weasel out of paying).

I don't think you've understood the article: if you have $1000 with Sorensen, you cant' do anything akratic. It's impossible. Which isn't to say your behavior changes at all, it just can't be called akratic anymore.

Comment author: Alicorn 29 December 2012 07:35:59PM *  2 points [-]

If you lost well over a thousand dollars through weakness of will by some other mechanism, that would still be akratic.

Comment author: handoflixue 31 December 2012 06:39:14PM 0 points [-]

I don't think you understood my point: You're NOT fixing any actual aspect of your life by spending $1,000, so saying you don't have akrasia is clearly wrong, or else you're using a fairly stupid definition.

Also, Alicorn's point, which I raised twice before.

Comment author: [deleted] 31 December 2012 07:24:02PM -1 points [-]

I don't think you understood my point: You're NOT fixing any actual aspect of your life by spending $1,000, so saying you don't have akrasia is clearly wrong, or else you're using a fairly stupid definition.

That is the point of Sorensen's article.

Comment author: handoflixue 31 December 2012 08:35:59PM 0 points [-]

... the point of his article is that you can waste $1,000 doing something that doesn't work?

Comment author: [deleted] 31 December 2012 10:06:56PM *  -1 points [-]

The point of his article is that we run into an absurdity so long as we understand akrasia to be 'knowingly acting against your self interest' (or some equivalent variation thereof). Suppose I have before me actions A and B, and I judge that A has greater utility. Then I do B.

If this is my problem, we can as easily solve it by raising the utility of B (until my doing B instead of A is no longer irrational) as we can by lowering the utility of B until it is no longer tempting. But it's manifestly absurd to think that I can cure akrasia by raising the utility of B (as Sorensen ironically recommends). Yet nothing about our understanding of akrasia explains this absurdity.

So it must be that our understanding of akrasia is faulty. That's the point of the article.