army1987 comments on The Zeroth Skillset - Less Wrong

48 Post author: katydee 30 January 2013 12:46PM

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Comment author: BlueSun 30 January 2013 09:08:17PM 18 points [-]

I don't mean to be rude but as an FYI:

At times, this evidence can be of critical importance. I can attest that I have personally saved the lives of friends on two occasions thanks to good situational awareness, and have saved myself from serious injury or death many times more.

Lowers my confidence of the post. Almost everyone I know has a story about how they almost died except for a moment of abnormal cunning or pure luck; yet I know few people who have died for reasons that would have been avoidable had they or someone around them been more observant. This suggests to me (since not everyone can be above-average observant or lucky) that in most of those stories, they didn't have as high of a chance of death as they thought they did. It's certainly possible that it's not the case with you, but I'd prefer to either see the specific stories or maybe just use a less extreme example in the post. Or maybe it's just me and no one else is bothered by it.

Comment author: [deleted] 31 January 2013 01:28:57PM *  3 points [-]

There's a problem with that idea.

(I don't know anyone who died because they where hit by a car while crossing a street, but this doesn't mean that looking for cars before crossing a street is pointless.)

Comment author: PaulS 01 February 2013 02:50:30AM 1 point [-]

This case is different in an important way. Most people will go inside during a thunderstorm and check for cars before crossing a street, so avoiding these risks doesn't require an unusual degree of vigilance. katydee is claiming that unusually good situational awareness is frequently a decisive factor in avoiding death or serious injury. If that's true, then we should expect to hear about people dying due to inadequate situational awareness fairly often because most people don't have above average situational awareness.

However, I think this is possibly explained by the fact that people with good situational awareness are far more likely to place themselves in situations were good situational awareness is required.

Comment author: [deleted] 01 February 2013 08:24:07AM 0 points [-]

katydee is claiming that unusually good situational awareness is frequently a decisive factor

I took "good situational awareness" to mean 'a level of SA unusual among readers of this posts', which I guess is a lower standard than 'unusual among the population', e.g. because of this.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 01 February 2013 03:24:37AM 0 points [-]

Special case of situational awareness: I read a discussion among martial arts students of whether they'd ever found their art useful. About half of them said they'd been avoided getting hurt from falling. (Sorry, no cite, but it was on usenet.)

Comment author: gwern 01 February 2013 07:59:47PM 2 points [-]
Comment author: NancyLebovitz 01 February 2013 10:51:50PM 0 points [-]

Thanks very much.

Comment author: shminux 01 February 2013 11:15:56PM *  0 points [-]

Note that falling safely when expecting to be thrown is not the same as landing safely when falling unexpectedly. The latter is probably a special skill, not specifically trained for in martial arts. Here is some discussion:

Breakfalling may even help you get through a training session where you get tossed around a 100 times or more. But, when you slip and fall off the mat your training will most likely not kick in and save you.

Comment author: katydee 01 February 2013 08:55:47AM 0 points [-]

I don't actually think that's thanks to situational awareness but rather from drilling breakfalls a lot.