James_Miller comments on Rationality Quotes January 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: James_Miller 01 January 2013 05:34:35PM 25 points [-]

We cannot dismiss conscious analytic thinking by saying that heuristics will get a “close enough” answer 98 percent of the time, because the 2 percent of the instances where heuristics lead us seriously astray may be critical to our lives.

Keith E. Stanovich, What Intelligence Tests Miss: The Psychology of Rational Thought

Comment author: DanArmak 01 January 2013 07:02:14PM 2 points [-]

For instance, you need analytical thinking to design your heuristics. Let your heuristics build new heuristics and a 2% failure rate compounded will give you a 50% failure rate in a few tens of generations.

Comment author: James_Miller 01 January 2013 07:23:05PM *  9 points [-]

Possibly, but Stanovich thinks that most heuristics were basically given to us by evolution and rather than choose among heuristics what we do is decide whether to (use them and spend little energy on thinking) or (not use them and spend a lot of energy on thinking).

Comment author: crap 02 January 2013 12:01:58PM *  3 points [-]

What is analytical thinking, but a sequence of steps of heuristics well vetted not to lead to contradictions?

Comment author: simplicio 02 January 2013 10:38:57PM 1 point [-]

A heuristic is a "rule of thumb," used because it is computationally cheap for a human brain and returns the right answer most of the time.

Analytical thinking uses heuristics, but is distinctive in ALSO using propositional logic, probabilistic reasoning, and mathematics - in other words, exceptionless, normatively correct modes of reasoning (insofar as they are done well) that explicitly state their assumptions and "show the work." So there is a real qualitative difference.

Comment author: crap 02 January 2013 10:42:58PM 2 points [-]

Propositional logic is made of many very simple steps, though.

Comment author: simplicio 02 January 2013 10:48:32PM 2 points [-]

Sure. The point is that "A->B; A, therefore B" is necessarily valid.

Unlike, say, "the risk of something happening is proportional to the number of times I've heard it mentioned."

Calling logic a set of heuristics dissolves a useful semantic distinction between normatively correct reasoning and mere rules of thumb, even if you can put the two on a spectrum.

Comment author: crap 02 January 2013 11:10:26PM *  2 points [-]

Ohh, I agree. I just don't think that there is a corresponding neurological distinction. (Original quote was about evolution).