Mass_Driver comments on Rationality Quotes January 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Mass_Driver 25 January 2013 10:00:41PM 16 points [-]

I once heard a story about the original writer of the Superman Radio Series. He wanted a pay rise, his employers didn't want to give him one. He decided to end the series with Superman trapped at the bottom of a well, tied down with kryptonite and surrounded by a hundred thousand tanks (or something along these lines). It was a cliffhanger. He then made his salary demands. His employers refused and went round every writer in America, but nobody could work out how the original writer was planning to have Superman escape. Eventually the radio guys had to go back to him and meet his wage demands. The first show of the next series began "Having escaped from the well, Superman hurried to..." There's a lesson in there somewhere, but I've no idea what it is.

-http://writebadlywell.blogspot.com/2010/05/write-yourself-into-corner.html

I would argue that the lesson is that when something valuable is at stake, we should focus on the simplest available solutions to the puzzles we face, rather than on ways to demonstrate our intelligence to ourselves or others.

Comment author: CronoDAS 26 January 2013 07:16:17PM 5 points [-]

Speaking of writing yourself into a corner...

According to TV Tropes, there was one show, "Sledge Hammer", which ended its first season with the main character setting off a nuclear bomb while trying to defuse it. They didn't expect to be renewed for a second season, so when they were, they had a problem. This is what they did:

Previously on Sledge Hammer:
[scene of nuclear explosion]
Tonight's episode takes place five years before that fateful explosion.

Comment author: Fronken 29 January 2013 03:31:45PM 4 points [-]

Story ... too awesome ... not to upvote ...

not sure why its rational, though.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 26 January 2013 07:39:06PM 1 point [-]

I think this is an updating of the cliché from serial adventure stories for boys, where an instalment would end with a cliffhanger, the hero facing certain death. The following instalment would resolve the matter by saying "With one bound, Jack was free." Whether those exact words were ever written is unclear from Google, but it's a well-known form of lazy plotting. If it isn't already on TVTropes, now's your chance.

Comment author: Desrtopa 29 January 2013 03:22:34AM *  3 points [-]

Did you just create that redlink? That's not the standard procedure for introducing new tropes, and if someone did do a writeup on it, it would probably end up getting deleted. New tropes are supposed to be introduced as proposals on the YKTTW (You Know That Thing Where) in order to build consensus that they're legitimate tropes that aren't already covered, and gather enough examples for a proper launch. You could add it as a proposal there, but the title is unlikely to fly under the current naming policy.

Pages launched from cold starts occasionally stick around (my first page contribution from back when I was a newcomer and hadn't learned the ropes is still around despite my own attempts to get it cutlisted,) but bypassing the YKTTW is frowned upon if not actually forbidden.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 29 January 2013 07:30:56AM *  2 points [-]

I didn't make any edits to TVTropes -- the page that it looks like I'm linking to doesn't actually exist. But I wasn't aware of YKTTW.

ETA: Neither is their 404 handler, that turns URLs for nonexistent pages into invitations to create them. As a troper yourself, maybe you could suggest to TVTropes that they change it?

Comment author: Desrtopa 29 January 2013 03:05:14PM 2 points [-]

If you're referring to what I think you are, that's more of a feature than a bug, since works pages don't need to go through the YKTTW. We get a lot more new works pages than new trope pages, so as long as the mechanics for creating either are the same, it helps to keep the process streamlined to avoid too much inconvenience.

Comment author: Nornagest 29 January 2013 04:06:38AM 0 points [-]

To be fair, that kind of flies in the face of standard wiki practice. Not Invented Here isn't defined in the main namespace, but the entire site probably counts as self-demonstration.

Comment author: Kindly 26 January 2013 07:58:39PM 2 points [-]

I believe that Cliffhanger Copout refers to the same thing. The Harlan Ellison example in particular is worth reading.

Comment author: CCC 29 January 2013 08:30:59AM 1 point [-]

Wouldn't that fall under "Cliffhanger Copout"?

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 26 January 2013 06:59:02PM 1 point [-]

There's so many different ways that story couldn't possibly be true...

(EDIT: Ooh, turns out that the Superman Radio program was the one that pulled off the "Clan of the Fiery Cross" punch against the KKK.)