stcredzero comments on Least Signaling Activities? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: AdeleneDawner 27 May 2009 03:43:36PM *  7 points [-]

Of course. Race, gender, disability, height, weight, age, beauty, and on and on and on. Most if not all prejudice can be described as signals, and most of the work of activists dealing with those issues is to get society to react to those signals in a way that's neutral rather than positive or negative. (Not all activists realize that, which is how you get some of the really crazy-looking ones, like feminists who freak out every time a male has more power in a given situation than a female does.)

And yes, I've seen more instances than I can count of people processing the signals and ignoring the message, or, more annoyingly, expecting me to do just that, and then blaming it on me when I don't understand them, or go do what they said instead of what they meant. I'd even go so far as to say that most of the time when someone's logic really doesn't make sense, they're not using the logic for logic, they're using it as a carrier for the signals, and hoping (or, assuming - I'm probably giving them too much credit if I imply that it's being done consciously) that you'll play along. In fact, there are times when that seems to be the most useful communication strategy, and it's one I've been working on learning for the last few months.

Comment author: stcredzero 29 May 2009 04:20:49PM 0 points [-]

I'd even go so far as to say that most of the time when someone's logic really doesn't make sense, they're not using the logic for logic, they're using it as a carrier for the signals, and hoping ... that you'll play along.

Wow. You've gelled a lot of things for me with this one statement! I've noticed this phenomenon with a lot of people!

Reminds me of a time when I met this one guitarist. We tried to jam once, but he kept wanting to delve into chord progressions, and I wanted to gell the rhythm. As a result, he kept on hesitating on the rhythm, and I kept on the same chord progression, waiting for him to pick up on my swing. Both of us were frustrated by the end.