Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Second-Order Logic: The Controversy - Less Wrong

24 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 04 January 2013 07:51PM

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Comment author: [deleted] 04 January 2013 09:18:34PM 0 points [-]

Second order logic may be able to express all expressible statements in 3rd order logic, 4th order, up to any finite Nth order, but perhaps there exist ∞th order statements that 2nd order logic cannot express. Albeit, such statements could never be fully decidable and would thus be, at best, semidecidable or co-semidecidable. This may not be complete, but science works the same way.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 05 January 2013 12:23:14AM 0 points [-]

I don't think that infinitary logic is the same as ω-order logic.

Comment author: [deleted] 05 January 2013 02:13:14AM 0 points [-]

Wouldn't ω-order logic be a subset of infinitary logic? Or do I have it backwards?

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 05 January 2013 12:10:06PM 2 points [-]

I don't think they have anything to do with each other. Infinitary logic is first-order logic with infinite proof lengths. Second-order logic is finite proof lengths with quantification over predicates. I don't know if there's any particular known relation between what these two theories can express.