Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Second-Order Logic: The Controversy - Less Wrong

24 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 04 January 2013 07:51PM

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Comment author: vi21maobk9vp 05 January 2013 04:15:06PM 0 points [-]

Well, technically not every model of ZFC has a ZFC-modelling element. There is a model of "ZFC+¬Con(ZFC)", and no element of this monster can be a model of ZFC. Not even with nonstandard element-relation.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 05 January 2013 04:49:53PM 3 points [-]

Linked impressive authority says the model has a ZFC-model-encoding element, plus enough nonstandard quoted ZFC axioms in-model that in-model ZFC doesn't think it's a ZFC-model-encoding element. I.e., the formula for "semantically entails ZFC" is false within the model, but from outside, using our own standard list of axioms, we think the element is a model of ZFC.

Comment author: vi21maobk9vp 05 January 2013 05:26:42PM 0 points [-]

Ah, sorry, I didn't notice that the question is about model of ZFC inside a "universe" modelling ZFC+Con^∞(ZFC)