Kindly comments on Morality is Awesome - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Kindly 07 January 2013 10:59:33PM 1 point [-]

It's just that one would expect them to hold themselves to a higher standard.

I notice that you're discussing what "they" do on LW. Not that I can honestly object; I'm often tempted to do so myself. It really helps when trying to draw the line between my own ideas, and all those crazy ideas everyone else here has.

But I think we are both actually fairly typical LWers, which means that it would be more correct to say something like "It's just that one would expect us to hold ourselves to a higher standard". This is a very different thought somehow, more than one would expect from a mere pronoun substitution.

Comment author: Ritalin 09 January 2013 12:11:21PM 1 point [-]

"Them" as in "the rest of the community, excepting the exceptions". I hold myself to those standards just fine, and there may well be others who do.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 07 January 2013 11:54:18PM 1 point [-]

Relatedly, I often find replacing "one would expect" with "I expect" has similar effects.
Especially when it turns out the latter isn't true.

Comment author: MugaSofer 08 January 2013 11:48:45AM -1 points [-]

It seems to me that the change is that with "us" the speaker is assumed to identify with the group under discussion. Specifically, it seems like they consider(ed) LW superior, and are disappointed that we have failed in this particular; whereas with "they" it seems to be accusing us of hypocrisy.