Vaniver comments on Morality is Awesome - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vaniver 11 January 2013 04:33:09PM 3 points [-]

Is saving everyone from Space Hitler such that no harm is done to anyone even more awesome? Hell yes.

Suppose a disaster could be prevented by foresight, or narrowly averted by heroic action. Which one is more awesome? Which one is better?

Being a billion of them!

Tvtropes link: Really?

Comment author: JGWeissman 11 January 2013 04:45:37PM 3 points [-]

Suppose a disaster could be prevented by foresight, or narrowly averted by heroic action. Which one is more awesome? Which one is better?

Preventing disaster by foresight is more likely to work than narrow aversion by heroic action, so the the awesomeness of foresight working gets multiplied by a larger probability than the awesomeness of heroic action working when you decide to take one approach over the other. This advantage of the action that is more likely to work belongs in decision theory, not your utility function. Your utility function just says whether one approach is sufficiently more awesome than the other to overcome its decision theoretic disadvantage. This depends on the probabilities and awesomeness in the specific situation.

Comment author: DaFranker 11 January 2013 04:45:42PM *  2 points [-]

Tvtropes link: Really?

My numerous words are defeated by your single link. This analogy is irrelevant, but illustrates your point well.

Anyway, that's pretty much all I had to say. The initial argument I was responding to sounded weak, but your arguments now seem much stronger. They do, after all, single-handedly defeat an army of Ninja-Robot-... of those.