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Comment author: seanwelsh77 01 May 2013 12:11:47AM 0 points [-]

According to Leibniz, this is the most awesome of all possible worlds.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 01 May 2013 02:58:32AM *  6 points [-]

(This is not a good characterization of Leibniz's actual conceptual system, for what it's worth;---the arguments that this is the "best of all possible worlds" are quite technical and come from the sort of intuitions that would later inspire algorithmic information theory; certainly neither blind optimism nor psychologically contingent enthusiasm about life's bounties were motivating the arguments. Crucially, "best" or similar, unlike "awesome", is potentially philosophically simple (in the sense of algorithmic information theory), which is necessary for Leibniz's arguments to go through. (This comment is directed more at the general readership than the author of the comment I'm replying to.))

Comment author: seanwelsh77 01 May 2013 04:21:25AM -2 points [-]

My recollection of Leibniz's view is dim but I recollect that the essence of it is that the perfection of the world is a consequence of the perfection of God. It would reflect poorly on the Omnipotence, Omniscience, Benevolence & Supreme Awesomeness &c of the Deity and Designer if he bashed out some second-rate less than perfectly good (or indeed merely averagely awesome) world. For the benefit of the general readership, the book to read on this is Candide by Voltaire. You will never see rationalists in quite the same way again... :-)

Link to Candide

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 01 May 2013 04:38:47AM *  4 points [-]

My recollection of Leibniz's view is dim but I recollect that the essence of it is that the perfection of the world is a consequence of the perfection of God. It would reflect poorly on the Omnipotence, Omniscience, Benevolence & Supreme Awesomeness &c of the Deity and Designer if he bashed out some second-rate less than perfectly good (or indeed merely averagely awesome) world. For the benefit of the general readership, the book to read on this is Candide by Voltaire. You will never see rationalists in quite the same way again... :-)

I think this comment reinforces Will_Newsome's point. The textbook Rhetoric, Logic, and Argumentation: A Guide for Student Writers by Magedah Shabo (quite correctly) uses Voltaire's Candide as the very first example of a straw man fallacy on page 95.

Comment author: [deleted] 01 May 2013 04:47:12AM 1 point [-]

Nice catch!

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 01 May 2013 02:25:53AM 5 points [-]

Falsified by diarrhea. Next!

Comment author: mare-of-night 01 May 2013 12:31:00AM 2 points [-]

I don't agree with Leibniz, but I do find his "best of all possible worlds" concept really useful for talking about what utilitarians try to do.