paulfchristiano comments on Don't Build Fallout Shelters - Less Wrong

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Comment author: paulfchristiano 08 January 2013 09:18:31AM *  4 points [-]

A similar calculus suggests you shouldn't work on life extension, if your goal is to live longer. I think both arguments are valid and useful to remember, but they overlook some important considerations, particularly in relation to motivation and social affiliation, and particularly when the project entails a real social benefit in addition to the perceived personal benefit.

Independently, I think you may underestimate the value of building shelters (though its surely not a good play on the utilitarian calculus). On the altruistic account, it's better if I survive in worlds where others don't. And in such worlds I also stand to have more numerous descendants, though not higher quality of life. So I don't think you should invoke that particular argument---that survival is less valuable post-apocalypse---against shelters.

(edit: "if not" --> "though not")

Comment author: [deleted] 08 January 2013 10:01:42AM 2 points [-]

 And in such worlds I also stand to have more numerous descendants, if not higher quality of life. 

Are you serious? Most worlds I can imagine in which huge numbers of people are killed but those in fallout shelters survive would have hellish quality of life for the survivors.

Comment author: paulfchristiano 08 January 2013 06:14:17PM 4 points [-]

I meant literally "though quality of life is not higher," forgetting that "if not" typically means "and possibly."