katydee comments on Don't Build Fallout Shelters - Less Wrong

26 Post author: katydee 07 January 2013 02:38PM

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Comment author: katydee 14 January 2013 11:42:50PM *  -1 points [-]

I guess it might depend on the apocalypse, but could you provide an example?

Sure. The most basic antinatalist argument is that creating a new human life on average creates more disutility (in the form of human suffering) than it creates utility (in the form of human happiness). Whether or not you accept this argument depends on what you think the prospects of suffering and happiness are for the average human life.

At present, I view human lives as involving potentially very high gains. Nuclear war would not only stop the potential for many such gains, but it would likely halt or reverse gains that have already been made. For instance, absence of access to modern medical techniques, dentistry, painkillers, etc. would likely create substantial suffering.

On the plus side, it would also make life shorter, but I have a feeling that would be cold comfort-- at least to non-antinatalists!

The View from Hell provides a solid overview of a lot of antinatalist thought if you're interested in learning more.

Comment author: MugaSofer 15 January 2013 10:23:32AM -1 points [-]

It would create more suffering per human life, sure, but I don't see how it could be enough that I start endorsing antinatalism. Then again, I'm not sure where exactly the line falls in any case; and allowing humanity to go extinct seems like it would bring such vast disutility I'm not sure any amount of suffering could outweigh it (unless there are other sentient beings available or something.)