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Comment author: Desrtopa 12 January 2013 11:53:37PM *  9 points [-]

This is a very good point, but while we can't reasonably expect the government to impartially enforce all contracts presented to it, we also can't reasonably tolerate a government that won't recognize or enforce any contracts.

To take an excerpt from one of the linked essays

some couples have specifically contracted for the rights marriage traditionally gave them (but no longer does). In the California case Diosdado v. Diosdado, 97 Cal.App.4th 470, a husband and wife contracted that if the husband had an affair with another woman, he would pay the wife $50,000 on top of the divorce settlement, and vice versa. The husband did in fact have an affair, but the California court refused to honor the couple's agreement. The strong California public policy of no-fault divorce, the court said, prohibited courts from even enforcing the voluntary contracts of a mature adult couple

This is not a contract that goes beyond my intuitions of what it would be reasonable for the state to enforce. It seems we've come to a point where the state (or at least, some states) will refuse to enforce contracts for marriage with terms which it would readily enforce if they were business agreements. Certainly there are stronger economic reasons for making business contracts enforceable than marriage contracts, but I don't think it follows that marriage agreements should be less enforceable, and I have doubts that this is an optimal state of affairs.

Comment author: [deleted] 13 January 2013 10:51:02AM *  3 points [-]

I would have framed it as a bet: I bet you $50,000 that you will cheat on me before I ever do. I think the government of my country would refuse to enforce that (gambling is restricted, I can't even access the websites of certain prediction markets as my ISP will block them), but I would've expected the US to have no problem with that.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 14 January 2013 04:19:37AM 6 points [-]

Gambling is illegal in the US except in specially licensed casinos.

Comment author: Desrtopa 14 January 2013 05:47:24AM *  0 points [-]

Not exactly. There's no federal law against gambling, and states have their own restrictions. But restricted is not the same as illegal; states that do not allow licensed casinos do not necessarily have any laws against citizens making bets with each other over which money changes hands, when done on a non-commercial basis.

And of course, there are other forms of licensed gambling, including that which is run by the state.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 14 January 2013 06:12:34AM 3 points [-]

Well, US regulators are attempting to declare intrade illegal.