prase comments on I attempted the AI Box Experiment (and lost) - Less Wrong

47 Post author: Tuxedage 21 January 2013 02:59AM

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Comment author: prase 24 January 2013 12:01:51AM 0 points [-]

Most people don't usually make these kinds of elaborate things up. Prior probability for that hypothesis is low, even if it might be higher for Tuxedage than it would be for an average person.

Most people don't report about these kinds of things either. The correct prior is not the frequency of elaborate lies among all statements of an average person, but the frequency of lies among the relevant class of dubious statements. Of course, what constitutes the relevant class may be disputed.

Anyway, I agree with Hanson that it is not low prior probability which makes a claim dubious in the relevant sense, but rather the fact that the speaker may be motivated to say it for reasons independent of its truth. In such cases, I don't think the claim is extraordinary evidence, and I consider this to be such a case. Probably not much more can be said without writing down the probabilities which I'd prefer not to, but am willing to do it if you insist.

I suppose the only story detail that needs to be a lie to advance FAI is "I almost won," but then why not choose "I won"?

In order to allow this argument.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 24 January 2013 12:33:29AM -1 points [-]

When talking about games without an explicit score, "I almost won" is a very fuzzy phrase which can be translated to "I lost" without real loss of meaning.

I don't think there's any point in treating the "almost victory" as anything other than a defeat, for either the people who believe or disbelieve him.

Comment author: prase 25 January 2013 12:38:58AM 1 point [-]

If I am interested in the question of whether winning is possible in the game, "almost victory" and "utter defeat" have very different meaning for me. Why would I need explicit score?