Eugine_Nier comments on Notes on Autonomous Cars - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 24 January 2013 08:25:54AM *  4 points [-]

There's too much male identity attached to driving, not only are cars used to show off status, but so is the driving style you use them with.

Obviously, this is quite cultural. Apparently in Stockholm (Sweden), only about one quarter (link in Finnish) of 18-year olds acquires a driving license, though many get one later on when life circumstances change. In the Helsinki region (Finland) as well, there has been a bit of a reported decline in the popularity of driving licenses among the young, though it's unclear to what extent the statistics actually support this. In cities that have a good public transport system, people can easily grow up with the notion that owning a car simply isn't necessary.

(I don't have a license myself, and although I know many who do, I've never gotten the impression that not having one would be considered particularly unusual. Of course, my normal social circles are rather unrepresentative of the population at large.)

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 25 January 2013 03:22:30AM 2 points [-]

In cities that have a good public transport system, people can easily grow up with the notion that owning a car simply isn't necessary.

Assuming you never what to leave the city.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 25 January 2013 07:10:11AM 3 points [-]

Or mostly only visit similar cities.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 25 January 2013 03:52:24AM 0 points [-]

Or am willing to rent a car when I do.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 25 January 2013 04:09:39AM 3 points [-]

You still need to have a driver's license to do that.

Comment author: ChristianKl 31 January 2013 06:04:02PM 0 points [-]

No, I'm a student living in Berlin and I have no car but a driven license.

Airplanes and trains are decent possibilities to leave the city. Even carpooling provides a nice way to leave the city.