elspood comments on Pinpointing Utility - Less Wrong

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Comment author: elspood 02 February 2013 03:18:29AM *  1 point [-]

I think I have updated slightly in the direction of requiring my utility function to conform to VNM and away from being inclined to throw it out if my preferences aren't consistent. This is probably mostly due to smart people being asked to give an example of a circular preference and my not finding any answer compelling.

Expectation. VNM isn't really useful without uncertainty. Without uncertainty, transitive preferences are enough.

I think I see the point you're trying to make, which is that we want to have a normalized scale of utility to apply probability to. This directly contradicts the prohibition against "looking at the sign or magnitude". You are comparing 1/400 EU and 1/500 EU using their magnitudes, and jumping headfirst into the radiation. Am I missing something?

Comment author: [deleted] 02 February 2013 06:09:11AM 0 points [-]

requiring my utility function to conform to VNM

If you don't conform to VNM, you don't have a utility function.

I think you mean to refer to your decision algorithms.

Comment author: elspood 02 February 2013 08:20:16AM 0 points [-]

No, I mean if my utility function violates transitivity or other axioms of VNM, I more want to fix it than to throw out VNM as being invalid.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 February 2013 09:51:06AM 1 point [-]

if my utility function violates transitivity or other axioms of VNM

then it's not a utility function in the standard sense of the term.

Comment author: elspood 02 February 2013 08:24:02PM 0 points [-]

I think what you mean to tell me is: "say 'my preferences' instead of 'my utility function'". I acknowledge that I was incorrectly using these interchangeably.

I do think it was clear what I meant when I called it "my" function and talked about it not conforming to VNM rules, so this response felt tautological to me.