Thomas comments on Infinitesimals: Another argument against actual infinite sets - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Thomas 26 January 2013 08:09:06AM *  -1 points [-]

Really? When was the last time you integrated zero and got a positive number

It is allowed in some systems, to pick a random real number from the interval [0,1]. The probability for the each of them is 0, yet the probability for the whole interval is 1.

A way to pick a random number from this interval is tossing a fair coin countably many times. The head gives you 1 and the tail gives you 0 in the binary representation. Every toss takes half the time as the previous one, so you finish this construction in a finite time. So called supertasks are allowed sometimes.

Comment author: Larks 26 January 2013 11:32:21AM 2 points [-]

No, the probability density function for a uniform distribution on [0,1] is what you are integrating, and that is non-zero.

Comment author: Thomas 26 January 2013 11:48:50AM -1 points [-]

Is it? How probable is 1/2, for example?

Comment author: [deleted] 26 January 2013 12:49:28PM 4 points [-]

That's not what a probability density function is.

Comment author: Thomas 26 January 2013 03:47:35PM 2 points [-]

Still. How probable is 1/2 in the above process of coin toss?

1/2=.1000000... in the binary presentation, means one head and all tails.

Comment author: [deleted] 26 January 2013 03:51:53PM 1 point [-]

<nitpick> Or also .0111..., one tail and all heads. </nitpick>

Any individual number has probability 0, but the probability density is the probability that you'll get a number between x and dx, divided by dx, in the limit as dx approaches 0.

Comment author: Thomas 26 January 2013 04:34:07PM -1 points [-]

Any individual real number has the zero probability, but at least one of them - is bound to happen.

One may or may not consider sub intervals. It is a side question. Just as rational numbers, or algebraic numbers on this interval. Every sub-interval has the probability equal of its length what is always nonzero. All rational numbers have the probability 0, for example.

Comment author: Emile 26 January 2013 08:36:05AM *  -2 points [-]

The coin flipping trick will miss plenty of numbers, like one third - and those that are left have a small but non-infenitesimal probability.

Edit: whoops, my bad, read "countable" as "finite".

Comment author: Thomas 26 January 2013 09:36:42AM *  0 points [-]

in the binary representation