BerryPick6 comments on CEV: a utilitarian critique - Less Wrong

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Comment author: BerryPick6 28 January 2013 08:15:26PM 1 point [-]

Then again, there's no underlying reason for me to accept that I should accept my current collection of habits and surface-level judgments and so forth as the best implementation of my values, either.

Isn't this begging the question? By 'my values' I'm pretty sure I literally mean 'my current collection of habits and surface-level judgements and so forth'.

Could I have terminal values of which I am completely unaware in any way shape or form? How would I even recognize such things, and what reason do I have to prefer them over 'my values'.

Did I just go in a circle?

Comment author: TheOtherDave 28 January 2013 08:18:44PM 0 points [-]

Well, you tell me: if I went out right now and magically altered the world to reflect your current collection of habits and surface-level judgments, do you think you would endorse the result?

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't, if the positions were reversed.

Comment author: BerryPick6 28 January 2013 08:50:31PM 1 point [-]

I would want you to change the world so that what I want is actualized, yes. If you wouldn't endorse an alteration of the world towards your current values, in what sense do you really 'value' said values?

I'm going to need to taboo 'value', aren't I?

Comment author: TheOtherDave 28 January 2013 09:51:27PM 0 points [-]

I don't know if you need to taboo it or not, but I'll point out that I asked you a question that didn't use that word, and you answered a question that did.

So perhaps a place to start is by answering the question I asked in the terms that I asked it?