Eugine_Nier comments on Rationality Quotes February 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 02 February 2013 06:06:48AM 61 points [-]

It’s nice to elect the right people, but that’s not the way you solve things. The way you solve things is by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right things.

-- Milton Friedman

Comment author: Multiheaded 04 February 2013 06:32:54PM *  14 points [-]

No one can be good for long if goodness is not in demand.

-- Bertold Brecht

(I'm always amused when people of opposite political views express similar thoughts on society.)


Also:

The aim of science is not to open the door to infinite wisdom, but to set some limit on infinite error.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 05 February 2013 12:28:40AM 1 point [-]

I think the Brecht quote is somewhat misleading. The problem is not that not enough people want/demand goodness, the problem is that it is too easy to profit by cheating without getting caught.

Comment author: AlexSchell 06 February 2013 08:44:00PM 3 points [-]

This solution only works if you are in the special position of being able to make institutional design changes that can't be undone by potential future enemies. Otherwise, whose "right things" will happen depends on who is currently in charge of institutional design (think gerrymandering).

Comment author: Sengachi 08 February 2013 12:32:17AM 2 points [-]

Then try to make it politically profitable to help sustain those changes you make. Make it so painfully obvious that the only reason to remove those changes would be for one's unethical gain that no politician would ever do so. The problem then though, is that people end up just not caring enough.

Comment author: AlexSchell 08 February 2013 04:53:39AM 4 points [-]

What you're describing is exactly the position of being able to make institutional design changes that can't be undone by potential future enemies. This position is "special" not only because the task is very difficult, but also because you have to be the first to think of it.

Comment author: Estarlio 12 February 2013 02:29:20AM 0 points [-]

Couldn't I also set up the system to try to exclude the wrong people from ever getting power?

It seems to me that computers get better at detecting liars, and we have an ease of fact checking on things now we never used to have, and conflicts of interest are generally relatively easily seen, and we've got all this research about how influence functions... In short that we've made a lot more progress on the judging people front, than we have on the side of designing procedures and regulations that suit us and also serve as one-way functions.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 12 February 2013 02:46:02AM *  6 points [-]

Couldn't I also set up the system to try to exclude the wrong people from ever getting power?

Not if having power over others turns the right people into the wrong people.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 12 February 2013 09:36:07AM 4 points [-]

Couldn't I also set up the system

No. No-one can set up the system. The most that anyone can do is introduce a new piece into the game, pieces like Google, or Wikipedia, or Wikileaks.