CCC comments on Rationality Quotes February 2013 - Less Wrong

2 Post author: arundelo 05 February 2013 10:20PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (563)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: CCC 03 February 2013 06:50:46PM 3 points [-]

In The Tamuli, by David Eddings, one country's political system is described as an attempt to limit corruption. (The usual caveats regarding fictional evidence apply here, of course). In short, when a person is elected onto the ruling council of the Isle of Tega, all that he owns is sold, and the money is deposited into the country's treasury. He is then simply not permitted to own anything until his term is up, some four years later (presumably food and housing is provided at the expense of the state); when that time comes, the money in the treasury is divided among the ministers in proportion to how much they put in (and the former ministers presumably start re-purchasing stuff). Note that the one thing that the ministers are not allowed to do is to change the tax rates.

This is described as having two consequences. First of all, the Isle of Tega is the only country that always shows a profit. Secondly, the minute that a man is nominated to become a minister, he is put under immediate armed guard to prevent him from running away (and remains under armed guard until his term is over). A government position is viewed with the same trepidation as a prison sentance.

Comment author: BerryPick6 03 February 2013 07:53:09PM 9 points [-]

Wouldn't they still have incentives to aid parties who promise to repay them once their term is up? Similar to how some legislators conveniently acquire lucrative positions requiring little-to-no effort on their part from companies who they have helped out through the years once they've retired from politics?

Comment author: Nornagest 03 February 2013 08:14:15PM *  7 points [-]

Or to aid their families and friends, or to adopt policies that benefit their industry or hometown or social class -- I considered similar systems when I was writing the ancestor (probably unconsciously influenced by Eddings; I haven't read him in years, though), but decided that they were transparently unworkable.

Comment author: HalMorris 03 February 2013 11:20:34PM 1 point [-]

Yes, it seems both too drastic, and not really able to accomplish the desired result.

Funny, I've wondered about a similarly drastic action though to improve the quality of voting, namely for each election select a random 1% (or some such -- small enough to not crash the economy) of the population and lock them up with nothing to do but learn about what's going on in the country and in the world and debate who they should vote for. In the end, unlike in the jury system, it should still be a secret ballot. Of course, if as many people were exempted as in jury duty, then it would be biased. One would have to see how much exemption was unavoidable, and and see whether the bias could be sufficiently minimized.

Comment author: CCC 04 February 2013 07:25:43AM 1 point [-]

random 1% (or some such -- small enough to not crash the economy)

If it's small enough not to crash the economy, then is it big enough to reliably alter the election results? And who provides the information for them to read through?

Comment author: CCC 04 February 2013 07:24:09AM 0 points [-]

Wouldn't they still have incentives to aid parties who promise to repay them once their term is up?

Only if they can trust the promise; once their term is up, the parties have little real incentive to stick to their promise, after all.

There will be an incentive to aid people who immediately donate a great big chunk of money to the State, as that money will be shared out among the ministers at the end of their term in any case; but the incentive only works, there, if the great big chunk of money is more than the state would obtain by other means.

Comment author: BerryPick6 04 February 2013 08:20:54AM 6 points [-]

Only if they can trust the promise; once their term is up, the parties have little real incentive to stick to their promise, after all.

In iterated games, defection has its price.

Comment author: CCC 04 February 2013 10:54:18AM 6 points [-]

I see your point and, on further thought, acknowledge it as correct.